By comparison, in the army during initial training I had flashbacks of kindergarten. We weren't herded that much at school. Also the food was for some reason very similar.
School or Prison
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#42What’s the point being made here? That if you take a picture of a building from a specific angle it’s difficult to tell the function of the building?
As referenced in the comment with the Foucault quote, the modern school and prison are both structures designed in a way that makes it easier for their authorities (wardens, guards, principals and teachers) to contain and control their captive populations (prisoners and students). In his book "Discipline and Punish", Foucault argues that in the establishment of the modern prison, the mission of imprisonment shifted f…
I doubt that is how schools functions and that they were trying to make obedient citizens that follows regular hours or whatever nonsense people conjure up.
The reason schools operate that way is simple: sheer inertia combined with just being impervious to reform.
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#43I was surprised that this was relatively so easy: you don't have to understand very much about the two types of buildings to spot important functional differences. As other people have commented, space for windows is crucial. (And, at least 2 of the pictures had identifying words in different languages) I scored 10 out of 10 and the game bounced me out.
Yeah, 東京都立新宿高等学校 and Tóth Árpád Gimnázium were freebies.
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#44I did quite well by measuring "overall area of ground level windows".
It was my criteria as well and the only one that failed me was https://www.holmesmiller.com/project/hmp-grampian Which looks really nice for a prison. I suspect it is an administrative building, or just the entrance. Not the place where inmates actually live.
I have to admit I cheated on that one by recognizing "HRP" as the UK-typical naming scheme for prisons.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also one of the only places with a nontrivial amount of people who would lie about needing to go to the bathroom, many times per day, just to be disruptive and/or to get out of class. aka "this is why we can't have nice things", juvenile edition :)
I think you need to ask why a non trivial amount of people would lie about needing to go to the bathroom. This is not a common behavior of teenagers at home, in a museum, at camp, on a canoe trip, or just about anywhere else I can think of...
Pretty common at parties and other social gatherings.
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#46In the UK our prisons often look nicer than our (state) schools. Many of our prisons are quite ancient, whereas many of our state schools are 1960s monstrosities.
For example:
* https://hidden-london.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/geograp... vs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/James_Ho...
* https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1185483.ece/ALT... vs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Cefn_Sae...
* https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/HM_... vs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/We...
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#47Is it surprising that the cellular prison, with its regular chronologies, forced labour, its authorities of surveillance and registration, its experts in normality, who continue and multiply the functions of the judge, should have become the modern instrument of penality? Is it surprising that prisons resemble factories, schools, barracks, hospitals, which all resemble prisons? Michel Foucault
This is one of the most delightfully overblown quotes of all time. But Herbert Marcuse went one better: he compared amusement parks to concentration camps.
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#48I thought an obvious clue would be Windows or no Windows. I’m wrong.
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#49What’s the point being made here? That if you take a picture of a building from a specific angle it’s difficult to tell the function of the building?
Going to be honest though. School (at least mine) functioned very similarly to a prison, in fact, most prisons had better conditions than my secondary school. There is a simple fact that schools can be glorified daycare so that workers can offload the burden of childcare. For this purpose, a prison makes sense. Despite not being the most humane considering the kids didn’t do any crime worthy of rehabilitation.
You're confident about this comparison. Have you been to prison?
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't even look at school as not being a prison. It's one of the only places I've had the displeasure to be denied basic rights such as going to use a toilet.
Also one of the only places with a nontrivial amount of people who would lie about needing to go to the bathroom, many times per day, just to be disruptive and/or to get out of class. aka "this is why we can't have nice things", juvenile edition :)
Teachers can deal with it. It's worth it to have to deal with the second order effects of folks lying to be disruptive or getting out of class so that we don't deny basic bathroom rights to those who need it most.
I have literally ZERO sympathy for any teacher who has shitty (haha) bathroom policies.