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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by pstrateman »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #26
pstrateman wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's unlikely to be an isolated incident, 20 years from now we'll be reading stories about the CCP listening to every zoom call in the world for years. (Just the same as the CIA did with Crypto AG[1]) They were routing all calls such that the CCP could listen to them. [2] They lied about calls being End-To-End encrypted. [3] Zoom was founded by a Chinese national and all of their development is done in China.…

I'm willing to bet that the events described here will not be a mortal blow to Zoom, whether the event is isolated or only semi-isolated. To make it concrete, their market cap will still be above $10B on Jan 1 2022. I'll put up to $20 on it, to a non-religious charity of your choice. If you want to take the other side of that bet let me know.

You're completely avoiding the question of whether this is an isolated incident or not.

I have no doubt people are stupid enough to continue using 'Video Conferencing by the CCP'(tm pending). That just means they're dumb.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by cwwc »

wil421 wrote: post #37
cwwc wrote: post #33

The most BA conspiracy would be if the CCP thought about releasing a virus and said to themselves “hey, what will everyone need in a pandemic? Videoconference!” They funded Zoom, then released the virus and boom - they suddenly have access to every company and academic discussion out there. If I plotting things, that’s how I’d do it at least. But alas reality isn’t a Bond film.

Why would you fund a “tech” company when you could corner the market on PPE? According to my local news a company told the federal government the US lack N95 manufacturing.

Good point

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

pstrateman wrote: post #13
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt the behavior of a single rogue employee will present any significant difficulty to Zoom, to say nothing of being a mortal wound.

I think it's unlikely to be an isolated incident, 20 years from now we'll be reading stories about the CCP listening to every zoom call in the world for years. (Just the same as the CIA did with Crypto AG[1]) They were routing all calls such that the CCP could listen to them. [2] They lied about calls being End-To-End encrypted. [3] Zoom was founded by a Chinese national and all of their development is done in China.…

Even if they are not an isolated incident, the Crypto AG story suggests the company could carry on for quite some time.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by cwwc »

_etyf wrote: post #36

The executive fabricated illegal user activity on Zoom, to include distribution of child pornography, falsely attributed to opponents of China’s Communist Party: >Jin’s co-conspirators created fake email accounts and Company-1 accounts in the names of others, including PRC political dissidents, to fabricate evidence that the hosts of and participants in the meetings to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre were s…

Apropos. And welcome to China for the past few years.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

vatueil wrote: post #32
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a single executive, and the executive is a rogue, then it is exactly a single rogue employee. Also, although it's beside the point from the perspective of whether what I said is true, I read the complaint. It's not clear if this guy was an executive executive, or an account "executive" (i.e. a low-level administrator). I'm inclined to believe the latter based on the actions he is alleged to have taken.

According to the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/18/zoom-he... > Prosecutors said the China-based executive, Xinjiang Jin, worked as Zoom’s primary liaison with Chinese law enforcement and intelligence services, sharing user information and terminating video calls at the Chinese government’s request.

This role does not sound like an "executive" in the sense I think of it. It sounds like an individual contributor role, and not one that sets company policy either.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by tenpies »

wil421 wrote: post #37
cwwc wrote: post #33

The most BA conspiracy would be if the CCP thought about releasing a virus and said to themselves “hey, what will everyone need in a pandemic? Videoconference!” They funded Zoom, then released the virus and boom - they suddenly have access to every company and academic discussion out there. If I plotting things, that’s how I’d do it at least. But alas reality isn’t a Bond film.

Why would you fund a “tech” company when you could corner the market on PPE? According to my local news a company told the federal government the US lack N95 manufacturing.

Why not both?

And in some cases you don't even need to corner the market - just abuse your adversaries' psychology. For example, Canada, was sending tons of PPE to China in February. [1]

This turned out to be an awful decision and Canada was caught in a terrible shortage weeks later. China gladly sold PPE to Canada though.

[1] https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2020/02/canada-...

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by vatueil »

jariel wrote: post #14

The real issue is how such a fundamentally important thing - video communications - isn't rock solid and a commodity by now such that any of FAANG, Verizon/AT&T and a host of others don't provide it as easy as anything else. Imagine if you thought CCP were reading your emails? Would your company/school/government use that service? I don't think so. Having supply chain problems for ASICS is one thing. But 'video confe…

Most of the "FAANG" companies do already have video conferencing apps. Netflix being the notable exception, but they're only included in the group for the sake of an edgy acronym anyway.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by vatueil »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #47
vatueil wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/18/zoom-he... > Prosecutors said the China-based executive, Xinjiang Jin, worked as Zoom’s primary liaison with Chinese law enforcement and intelligence services, sharing user information and terminating video calls at the Chinese government’s request.

This role does not sound like an "executive" in the sense I think of it. It sounds like an individual contributor role, and not one that sets company policy either.

Whatever definition of "executive" floats your boat, I guess.
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