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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

You can get far with bad branding. Case: Ubuntu

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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I am really interested to know why should anyone go with this when Debian or Ubuntu LTS exist. The two later have not changed their policies in the last decade, and they have a clear path for upgrading. CentOS was always a clear choice for device drivers support, but I never understood the stability claims.

Lately it seems to me Debian and Ubuntu have made some strange package decisions. They have morphed into a desktop oriented build with snap packages and auto-updates enabled by default (among other strange decisions). There's a ton of stuff we always end up disabling in the new release because it's super buggy and doesn't work well (I work at a small MSP). I'm not sure who replaced Ian Jackson, but Debian seems rudde…

I'm using Debian and I don't use snap packages. I guess it's optional? I just installed Minimal and installed few packages I needed.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Right, but the price one pays are outdated packages. CentOS 8 was released few days ago with kernel 4.18, which not even LTS is, and is older than the current Debian stable kernel(!). If you need to install anything besides the base distro you need elrepo, epel, etc which I'm not sure can be counted as part of the support.

The patch delta for security fixes must get larger over time as these packages age further and further away from top of tree. I always wonder how many major vulnerabilities are introduced into these super old distros due to backporting bugs.

Documented cases don't seem to be common, but what comes to mind is the Debian "weak keys" scandal (2008), and the VLC "libeml" vulnerability (2019)[1]

[1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/ch86o6/vlc_security...

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Debian offers around three years of support. Ubuntu LTS around five. Both pale in comparison with Red Hat and, by proxy, CentOS.

Arguably, no one should be running a server that long in 2020. I would say a better reason is that while both are Linux distributions, they are distinct dialects and ecosystems. It isn't impossible to switch, but for institutions that have complex infrastructure built around the RHEL world, it is a lot of work to convert.

> Arguably, no one should be running a server that long in 2020

The main reason people choose Linux is due to its stability.

It is totally ok to run servers in 2020.

Also your statement seems the default cloud vendor lingo used to push people to adopt proprietary technology with high vendor lock-in.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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post #41

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

You can get far with bad branding. Case: Ubuntu

or java

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

#46

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

I actually think CentOS sounds pretty unprofessional (although familiar), while Rocky Linux sounds unfamiliar although at least has a meaningful inspiration. I would bet it could come to be equally as esteemed as a product called "CentOS" (or even "Red Hat") eventually.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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post #41

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

You can get far with bad branding. Case: Ubuntu

Why is Ubuntu bad branding? Seems short, memorable, good meaning, original, etc.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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post #41

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

You can get far with bad branding. Case: Ubuntu

Ubuntu doesn’t literally mean “a bumpy ride” or “a relationship that’s got some trouble in it”

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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You can get far with bad branding. Case: Ubuntu

Why is Ubuntu bad branding? Seems short, memorable, good meaning, original, etc.

the naming makes it sound like unstable version of linux.
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