Impressive, however just like the stock market, if you try to dump all those, It won't worth anything close to $2B.
Right, and if you try to buy them all, it will cost a lot more than $2B.
Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses
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Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses
#42How are we not out of IPv4 addresses already? Aren't there a billion phones out there? And probably the same number of PCs and god knows how many servers?
ipv6 is heavily used in the mobile network space.
Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses
#43Impressive, however just like the stock market, if you try to dump all those, It won't worth anything close to $2B.
Right, and if you try to buy them all, it will cost a lot more than $2B.
Yes and no.
> "try to buy them all"
buy all of AWS's? Then: no, it would cost less.
buy from open market? Then: yes, It would cost more
Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses
#44This is 2.5% of the total adress space - not usable, total. It's about the equivalent of 6.25 class A (/8) prefixes. Quite impressive.
Nothing compared to the US federal government. I count 13 /8 blocks for the DoD, and one for the USPS, so 14 in total. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_addre...
The original list of assigned blocks [1] is a fascinating glimpse of history. Some of the Class A networks are still recognizable (MIT, University College London, Stanford) while others have faded in prominence (BBN, CISL, DEC, MITRE, Tymnet). The same 1981 document also contains a list of assigned ports which of course does not include DNS, HTTP(S), IMAP, POP, or SSH.
[1]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc790 "RFC 790"
Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, I think it would. Because despite the obvious business advantage they have, any would-be competitor would need IPs at a similar scale. That will either cost a ton more than Amazon has, or they simply won’t be available. I own 2048 IPv4’s myself and their value is ever increasing. Like digital real estate, without the fluctuation of crypto. But I would prefer it if IPv6 would take over IPv4, and fast, because it…
It wouldn't take too much to make a breakdown of IP announcements. Ownership is a bit harder to track down, I think. Looking at something like https://bgp.he.net/AS32934#_prefixes will tell you what IPs Facebook announces. Rinse and repeat for whoever else. Maybe a bit tricky if you need to track down subsidiary ASes. Disclosure: I worked for WhatsApp including while it was part of Facebook, and was involved in getti…
Stupid question: why does WhatsApp need to be its own AS?
Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses
#46 $ wget https://ip-ranges.amazonaws.com/ip-ranges.json
$ grep ip_prefix ip-ranges.json |
sed -re 's|.*(/[0-9]+).*|\1|' |
sort | uniq -c
4 /11
16 /12
30 /13
82 /14
188 /15
278 /16
70 /17
63 /18
30 /19
47 /20
111 /21
248 /22
204 /23
839 /24
68 /25
235 /26
142 /27
124 /28
50 /29
42 /30
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#47I’m more surprised that a single IP address is worth $20 apparently than Amazon owning 100 million of them. What I wonder, is it a competitive advantage for Amazon at this point that they have so many? Phrased differently, would it benefit Amazon if the current status quo of IPv4 vs IPv6 adoption is maintained?
Yes, I think it would. Because despite the obvious business advantage they have, any would-be competitor would need IPs at a similar scale. That will either cost a ton more than Amazon has, or they simply won’t be available. I own 2048 IPv4’s myself and their value is ever increasing. Like digital real estate, without the fluctuation of crypto. But I would prefer it if IPv6 would take over IPv4, and fast, because it…
Just out of curiosity how does one go about purchasing and maintaining ownership of IPv4’s. Do you need to do it through your own company or is it possible as an individual. I’ve heard you have to demonstrate you can use them but that was in relation to IPv6’s.
Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses
#48I’m more surprised that a single IP address is worth $20 apparently than Amazon owning 100 million of them. What I wonder, is it a competitive advantage for Amazon at this point that they have so many? Phrased differently, would it benefit Amazon if the current status quo of IPv4 vs IPv6 adoption is maintained?
Yes, I think it would. Because despite the obvious business advantage they have, any would-be competitor would need IPs at a similar scale. That will either cost a ton more than Amazon has, or they simply won’t be available. I own 2048 IPv4’s myself and their value is ever increasing. Like digital real estate, without the fluctuation of crypto. But I would prefer it if IPv6 would take over IPv4, and fast, because it…
How do you own an IPv4 in perpetuity? Can they be bought in small scale, say 1-10?
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#49I used to own 10k IP addresses that I sold as proxy servers to internet marketers. I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. I had no idea what I was doing and eventually shut down the company, but damn, I wish I at least kept control of those things.
If you want to see some sketchy shit, look deeply into what the VPN companies are doing.
Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've seen some VM providers charge more to get an instance with IPv4 connectivity. Amazon doesn't charge extra for that (last I looked anyway), so that's a potential advantage. IPv6 penetration is growing, but Akamai reports that even the most IPv6 networks only go to ~ 92% IPv6. So if you want to have full reach, you need IPv4, but you don't really need IPv6 (although, you may want it, some of the CGNAT systems that…
AWS does charge for a dedicated (static) IPv4 address, but only when your EC2 instance is down. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/elastic-... https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/elast...
For anyone not as familiar with AWS, basically:
* They'll provide a free dynamic IPv4 address attached to any interface/VM for the life of that VM.
* They'll provide static IPv4 addresses. These are generally free, but you'll be charged if they're not attached to a VM (i.e., sitting unused). Only one IP per instance is free.
Charge is a half cent an hour, so works out to about $3.65/mo to camp on an IP address.