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Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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Yeah I get text messages from weed dispensaries in BC for dried mushroom deals.

Oh Canada. Where the natural way is illegal, but the synthetic way with designer psilocybin analogues is totally legal!

> designer psilocybin analogues

Is that what 'dried mushrooms' means in Canada?

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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You can't deny there is a certain vindictiveness to that comment. Being a little vindictive is fine, it's unreasonable to expect saintly purity from people, but it's good to admit such mindsets to yourself at least.

I'll point you to my follow-up comment. These same people continue to support the direct pain and suffering of millions of other people by their insistence on taking only the smallest steps towards an evidence-oriented approach to drug laws. I'll forgive those who repent, the rest I'll leave to Jesus.

Judge not lest ye be judged

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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There's a lot of ignorance about drugs among the general public, and they tended to buy in to the anti-drug propaganda coming at them from all sides -- from the media, from anti-drug scientists, from the DEA and various anti-drug organizations, and from society at large. It's hard to blame them, when they're surrounded by such propaganda, and (as usual) very few people were independent enough to actually dig deep in…

Most just swallowed the official line. I know we're largely talking about hypothetical people, but if people were just going with the flow, I'm not sure that explains the inability to swallow the new official line.

"I'm not sure that explains the inability to swallow the new official line."

How official is it?

In the US, at least, the government spent many millions of dollars (hundreds of millions? billions?) on anti-drug education campaigns for decades, and there was mass media hysteria against drugs for decades.

There are still no comparable pro-drug education campaigns, and while there have been some positive research results and positive media coverage on some drugs, the message overall is pretty mixed, and there's still plenty of anti-drug hysteria in the media and anti-drug messages from the government today.

It's probably going to take a long time to change the minds of most people who grew up soaked in anti-drug propaganda.

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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I just hope the older generations who adamantly and mindlessly insisted that "all drugs are bad" live long enough to feel the deep shame they deserve for causing so much harm and preventing so much joy and much-needed help to so many millions and millions of people.

Older generations? I hope you aren't talking about the baby boomers who practically created drug culture.

"all drugs are bad" was a "greatest generation" attitude and I'm afraid they are mostly beyond caring

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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You can't deny there is a certain vindictiveness to that comment. Being a little vindictive is fine, it's unreasonable to expect saintly purity from people, but it's good to admit such mindsets to yourself at least.

I'll point you to my follow-up comment. These same people continue to support the direct pain and suffering of millions of other people by their insistence on taking only the smallest steps towards an evidence-oriented approach to drug laws. I'll forgive those who repent, the rest I'll leave to Jesus.

This is probably the most vapid argument I've ever seen on HN. Great job team

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

#46

I just hope the older generations who adamantly and mindlessly insisted that "all drugs are bad" live long enough to feel the deep shame they deserve for causing so much harm and preventing so much joy and much-needed help to so many millions and millions of people.

Older generations? I hope you aren't talking about the baby boomers who practically created drug culture. "all drugs are bad" was a "greatest generation" attitude and I'm afraid they are mostly beyond caring

Sure, a sliver of the Baby Boomer generation has been given vastly too much attention for doing some drugs. Meanwhile, the bulk of that generation are responsible for the largest per capita prison population in the developed world and the ruin of millions of young lives.

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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I'll point you to my follow-up comment. These same people continue to support the direct pain and suffering of millions of other people by their insistence on taking only the smallest steps towards an evidence-oriented approach to drug laws. I'll forgive those who repent, the rest I'll leave to Jesus.

That's a justification for your vindictiveness (which I did not ask nor expect you to justify.) I am suggesting that you recognize your vindictiveness for what it is, not that you deny yourself feelings of vindictiveness.

I don't exactly understand your obsession with "vindictiveness". I'm not saying we should have a policy of rounding these people up and throwing them in prison. This is my emotional response, not a proposed policy response. They, however, literally did support a policy of rounding people up and throwing them in prison.

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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Oh Canada. Where the natural way is illegal, but the synthetic way with designer psilocybin analogues is totally legal!

Nature doesn't care about us. Natural is not inherently better than synthetic. Maybe you have a better point to support your position?

His position seems to be that the law is nonsensical. If you can buy synthetics but can't grow your own that does seem to support his point.

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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I'll point you to my follow-up comment. These same people continue to support the direct pain and suffering of millions of other people by their insistence on taking only the smallest steps towards an evidence-oriented approach to drug laws. I'll forgive those who repent, the rest I'll leave to Jesus.

This is probably the most vapid argument I've ever seen on HN. Great job team

It's not vapid and his anger is righteous.

Please realize that the cohort of people we're talking about have supported policies of enslaving "others" through laws for decades and that they continue to do this today.

These policies have and are destroying communities, families, careers, lives, and to some extent, the fabric of the nation.

It's also not a coincidence these are the same people that just lost an election and are trying to overturn the result by any means.

Remember that story about raiding the home of a scientist in Florida a few days ago for doing science? That's the same people as the "anti-drug" people.

It turns out that the anti-drug, anti-transgender, anti-gay, anti-science, anti-abortion, anti-vaccine, anti-education, anti-environmentalist, anti-healthcare, anti-mask, pro-police, pro-prison, pro-corporation, pro-pollution, pro-inequality, pro-torture, pro-religion group are all the same people.

The anti-drug laws are just a symptom of a much wider societal corruption.

We can't be handing out forgiveness to our oppressors while they are still actively oppressing.

Re: Some doctors, therapists get Health Canada permission to use magic mushrooms

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I just hope the older generations who adamantly and mindlessly insisted that "all drugs are bad" live long enough to feel the deep shame they deserve for causing so much harm and preventing so much joy and much-needed help to so many millions and millions of people.

Why do you wish shame on others? We should forgive others if possible.
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