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Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

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Post by the_duke »

Arathorn wrote: post #25
the_duke wrote: post #3

That was impressively quick. Looking forward to Github/Gitlab repository rooms and activity integration. In the acquisition announcement they also mentioned threading though, which is the most important feature Element is missing for me. Without it I'm very hesitant to use it in a professional setting. I do hope that threads will look much more like Zulip rather than Slack (which is a mess), or offer different view m…

Matrix now has two flavours of threading defined and implemented as we experiment with the different approaches: label-based threading in MSC2326[1] (i.e. "filter this room to only show msgs tagged #foo"), and full-blown free-form HN/Reddit/NNTP/SMTP/Twitter style threading in MSC2836[2]. The former is closer to Zulip, and is implemented in Synapse. The latter is closer to HN, and is implemented in Dendrite[3][4]. Cl…

I realize it must be annoying to have this topic brought up every time Matrix is mentioned, so thanks for the update!

Nested threading could enable some interesting use cases, but I think for many contexts a single nesting level would be better though.

Is the current plan to allow customization via room settings?

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

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Post by Stephen304 »

This is amazing! Side note, there seems to be a typo "would be to have got Gitter".

Also, I'm curious what the plan is to reconcile Gitter's one room per repo model with Matrix's anybody-can-create-any-room - in the long term, is the plan to keep gitter.im rooms restricted to matching repos? Or (post gitter-skinned-element) will people eventually be able to create arbitrary rooms on the gitter homeserver?

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#43

Post by vlmutolo »

Arathorn wrote: post #37
toomuchtodo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So...could I write a gateway that provides functionality for threads to be pulled in from HN/Reddit/NNTP/SMTP/Twitter (MSC2836)? Think Epiverse [1] within Matrix and its clients. [1] https://epiverse.co/

Yup. Can't wait for someone to implement a Matrix-powered Disqus clone!

Wow, it would be really, really interesting for a blog to offer a Matrix room as a "comment section". If you didn't care about threading, you could probably do something like that even today.

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

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Post by sandGorgon »

Arathorn wrote: post #28
sandGorgon wrote: post #19

oh this is huge. and right in time for the slack acquisition ! gitter fixes one of the biggest issues with matrix - the product/ux/ui. one thing im not sure of is the conscious decision to deprecate mobile apps and instead recommend mobile web. https://gitlab.com/gitterHQ/webapp/-/issues/2281 is that a strategic decision ? because this wont be a pleasant experience is potentially a massive blocker for any type of ser…

We're not recommending mobile web; rather than replacing the native Gitter mobile apps with the Gitter mobile webapp, we're instead recommending folks move to native Matrix mobile clients like Element (or mobile web Matrix clients like Hydrogen, if they prefer).

well you do

https://gitter.im/apps

>The dedicated Android/iOS apps are no longer recommended and may be officially deprecated in the future. For mobile, we recommend using the mobile web version in your browser.Our efforts are focused on the webapp which is the backbone of the mobile/desktop apps but mainly focused on the web experience. There are a number of bugs in these desktop/mobile clients and they spread the Gitter team too thin for us to give them proper attention. The apps are open-source if you want to tackle something particularly annoying to you. (desktop, iOS, Android)

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

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Post by Vinnl »

Great news! Very quickly done, which kind-of makes me suspicious... One thing I did already observe is that I was able to send a message to a closed Gitter room via my Matrix account, although I couldn't see other people's messages.

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

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Post by kawfey »

The ecosystem of a multitude of various chat apps is daunting and confusing. I've been finding that I'm spending more time talking and thinking about chat programs rather than actually doing anything valuable. It's kind of like how ham radio operators almost exclusively talk about ham radio on ham radio (when not talking about weather and personal ailments, lol).

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

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Post by pbronez »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #32
Arathorn wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matrix now has two flavours of threading defined and implemented as we experiment with the different approaches: label-based threading in MSC2326[1] (i.e. "filter this room to only show msgs tagged #foo"), and full-blown free-form HN/Reddit/NNTP/SMTP/Twitter style threading in MSC2836[2]. The former is closer to Zulip, and is implemented in Synapse. The latter is closer to HN, and is implemented in Dendrite[3][4]. Cl…

So...could I write a gateway that provides functionality for threads to be pulled in from HN/Reddit/NNTP/SMTP/Twitter (MSC2836)? Think Epiverse [1] within Matrix and its clients. [1] https://epiverse.co/

Epiverse appears to be a browser extension that automatically shows you Reddit and Hacker News threads about the page you're visiting.

Does it send every URL you load to a third-party server to provide this functionality?

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

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Post by pbronez »

yawgmoth wrote: post #20
benatkin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people, including me, dislike threading in Slack. It breaks the algorithm for reading new messages. I use it when teammates do, and acknowledge it's useful sometimes, but I would prefer not to have that feature. Discord also does not have threads. I've heard some complaints about it, but not many. Threads in Zulip seem to change it into a different kind of app. I don't see how the Slack workspaces that I've…

Discord has a feature (recently added?) in which you can reply to something -- it gets miniquoted above your reply. It does a good job of 'flattening out the tree'.

I find this to be a critical feature in long-running threads. I use it extensively in WhatsApp

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

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Post by Arathorn »

vlmutolo wrote: post #43
Arathorn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Can't wait for someone to implement a Matrix-powered Disqus clone!

Wow, it would be really, really interesting for a blog to offer a Matrix room as a "comment section". If you didn't care about threading, you could probably do something like that even today.

https://matrix.org/blog/2020/09/15/gsoc-report-html-embeddab... was a GSOC project this year which heads in that direction. Meanwhile Hydrogen has been built to be embeddable (https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web). And Gitter of course has http://sidecar.gitter.im/.

But nobody has fully packaged one up as FOSS Disqus/Intercom/etc alt yet. It's a huge and easily-fillable gap in the Matrix ecosystem :)

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