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Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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Post by cantrevealname »

dvt wrote: post #35
cantrevealname wrote: post #28

Cause of death should be standard information when someone has passed away. If we're not supposed to talk about cause of death, then why should the age be mentioned? Why should the location where the person passed away be said? Why include next of kin -- surely that's completely irrelevant unless you are part of the family? Every single Wikipedia entry for a person who isn't living gives cause of death. If it's so ba…

A whole slew of reasons, but mostly because it's private, sensitive, and could have legal implications (in the cases of foul play, for example). I'm not sure what Wikipedia has to do with anything, as it's never been the arbiter of social norms, legal procedures, or even common decency -- much like reddit, its army of online sleuths often gets facts painfully wrong (sometimes with dire consequences).

Wikipedia has a cause of death section for almost every deceased person. In your opinion, should Wikipedia remove cause of death from biographies? Remove them until legal implications are resolved? Remove some of them but not all of them? (I very much doubt that you think that all entries for cause of death should be removed, like how President John F. Kennedy died for example.) So where are you drawing the line?

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

#42

Post by [deleted] »

dclusin wrote: post #40
dvt wrote: post #4

This is crazy, he's a veritable legend (and so young). RIP. My condolences go out to his friends and family. Maybe related to his stepping down 3 months ago[1]? My comment from that 3-month-old thread, regarding Hsieh: From 2015-2017, I worked at Edmunds.com which was (to put it lightly) a bit obsessed with "Delivering Happiness" and Zappos' culture. So much so, that the leadership team visited Vegas to get a tour of…

What sticks out to me in your comment is that in spite of all your nice words about their culture, the nicest/best people you worked with still left for other companies. I suspect it was probably a 20% pay raise that convinced them to.

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Re: Tony Hsieh has died

#43

Post by rmk »

hauget wrote: post #21

46. RIP. "Let us prepare our minds as if we’d come to the very end of life. Let us postpone nothing. Let us balance life’s books each day. … The one who puts the finishing touches on their life each day is never short of time.” - Seneca

How does one accomplish a semblance of this? Has someone tried and written down what worked (or did not work)?

I'd love to read up more on this.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

#44

Post by ponker »

homero wrote: post #30
cantrevealname wrote: post #28

Cause of death should be standard information when someone has passed away. If we're not supposed to talk about cause of death, then why should the age be mentioned? Why should the location where the person passed away be said? Why include next of kin -- surely that's completely irrelevant unless you are part of the family? Every single Wikipedia entry for a person who isn't living gives cause of death. If it's so ba…

Yeah every announcement keeps it a secret. I hate it. I find it disrespectful to us. We are fans and loved him but no we're not good enough to know why.

You being my “fan” is an asymmetric relationship, not one created by mutual consent. If I want you to have my medical information while I’m alive or after I’m dead I will execute the proper legal document with you to ensure that you have it.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

#45

Post by dvt »

dclusin wrote: post #40
dvt wrote: post #4

This is crazy, he's a veritable legend (and so young). RIP. My condolences go out to his friends and family. Maybe related to his stepping down 3 months ago[1]? My comment from that 3-month-old thread, regarding Hsieh: From 2015-2017, I worked at Edmunds.com which was (to put it lightly) a bit obsessed with "Delivering Happiness" and Zappos' culture. So much so, that the leadership team visited Vegas to get a tour of…

What sticks out to me in your comment is that in spite of all your nice words about their culture, the nicest/best people you worked with still left for other companies. I suspect it was probably a 20% pay raise that convinced them to.

I left to do my own startup -- which will, (un)fortunately, probably always be my end-game :) and in the months following my departure, the company really did take a cultural hit (after significant layoffs), so a lot of good folks left.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

#46

Post by rmk »

homero wrote: post #30
cantrevealname wrote: post #28

Cause of death should be standard information when someone has passed away. If we're not supposed to talk about cause of death, then why should the age be mentioned? Why should the location where the person passed away be said? Why include next of kin -- surely that's completely irrelevant unless you are part of the family? Every single Wikipedia entry for a person who isn't living gives cause of death. If it's so ba…

Yeah every announcement keeps it a secret. I hate it. I find it disrespectful to us. We are fans and loved him but no we're not good enough to know why.

Privacy in grieving is nothing disrespectful. It's having an expectation otherwise that is disrespectful.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

#47

Post by murat124 »

rmk wrote: post #43
hauget wrote: post #21

46. RIP. "Let us prepare our minds as if we’d come to the very end of life. Let us postpone nothing. Let us balance life’s books each day. … The one who puts the finishing touches on their life each day is never short of time.” - Seneca

How does one accomplish a semblance of this? Has someone tried and written down what worked (or did not work)? I'd love to read up more on this.

Montaigne did some writing on how to live life.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

#48

Post by ljlolel »

dclusin wrote: post #40
dvt wrote: post #4

This is crazy, he's a veritable legend (and so young). RIP. My condolences go out to his friends and family. Maybe related to his stepping down 3 months ago[1]? My comment from that 3-month-old thread, regarding Hsieh: From 2015-2017, I worked at Edmunds.com which was (to put it lightly) a bit obsessed with "Delivering Happiness" and Zappos' culture. So much so, that the leadership team visited Vegas to get a tour of…

What sticks out to me in your comment is that in spite of all your nice words about their culture, the nicest/best people you worked with still left for other companies. I suspect it was probably a 20% pay raise that convinced them to.

to be fair, with FB it was probably more like 50 or over 100% pay raise

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

#49

Post by dvt »

cantrevealname wrote: post #41
dvt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A whole slew of reasons, but mostly because it's private, sensitive, and could have legal implications (in the cases of foul play, for example). I'm not sure what Wikipedia has to do with anything, as it's never been the arbiter of social norms, legal procedures, or even common decency -- much like reddit, its army of online sleuths often gets facts painfully wrong (sometimes with dire consequences).

Wikipedia has a cause of death section for almost every deceased person. In your opinion, should Wikipedia remove cause of death from biographies? Remove them until legal implications are resolved? Remove some of them but not all of them? (I very much doubt that you think that all entries for cause of death should be removed, like how President John F. Kennedy died for example.) So where are you drawing the line?

> As I mentioned, Wikipedia has a cause of death section for almost every deceased person.

Again, my question is "so what?" -- Wikipedia doesn't dictate social norms. I gave you a few reasons why cause of death may not be mentioned. Like mothers often say, if Wikipedia jumps off a bridge, would you?

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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Post by zentiggr »

homero wrote: post #30
cantrevealname wrote: post #28

Cause of death should be standard information when someone has passed away. If we're not supposed to talk about cause of death, then why should the age be mentioned? Why should the location where the person passed away be said? Why include next of kin -- surely that's completely irrelevant unless you are part of the family? Every single Wikipedia entry for a person who isn't living gives cause of death. If it's so ba…

Yeah every announcement keeps it a secret. I hate it. I find it disrespectful to us. We are fans and loved him but no we're not good enough to know why.

It's that false sense of entitlement from the fan side that makes me glad I'm nowhere near a celebrity.

Disrespectful my ass. Unless you have a close, actually personal connection to him, no, you don't have any right to personal details.

Be happy he chose to make anything public, and memorialize as you see fit. Anything more is just selfish.

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