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World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by carlmr »

dep_b wrote: post #33
carlmr wrote: post #11

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Capon is considered animal cruelty in many countries, so availability is an issue here. Aside from that I'm not sure how you imagine not killing the birds by eating them?

I'm simply stating that raising them to eat is better than just gassing them immediately. If you're against eating meat as a principle then it's probably pretty useless. But eating the less wanted meat or produce really helps preventing pollution through overproduction of food that is never eaten. There are many people that think it's more ethical to kill a cow just for it's meat than to eat the meat of a horse, whic…

I see your point, it was just the wording of "not killing" which I found a bit odd. The environmental argument makes sense, the ethical argument depends on many factors.

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Post by ImprobableTruth »

gadders wrote: post #34
La1n wrote: post #30

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> the males grow large enough to be edible, It would seem to me these are still killed. Lacto-ovo vegetarians might still prefer no-kill egg as shown in the article.

Unless the chickens are kept after they finish laying eggs, no commercial egg laying is no kill. Most battery or free range hens are killed (or if they're lucky, rescued for home use) at a year old as they approach their first moult.

At the very least it's still less-kill.

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Post by marton_s »

I was wondering what happens to the (hopefully) very small amount male chicks that still hatch because no testing is free from false positives/negatives.

The good news is, according to section 5.2.4 of the the "respeggt System Manual"[1] they are forbidden to kill earlier than 12 weeks old.

[1] https://respeggt-group.com/files/respeggt-Systemhandbuch_en....

Edit: link to the English system manual

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by La1n »

dep_b wrote: post #33
carlmr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capon is considered animal cruelty in many countries, so availability is an issue here. Aside from that I'm not sure how you imagine not killing the birds by eating them?

I'm simply stating that raising them to eat is better than just gassing them immediately. If you're against eating meat as a principle then it's probably pretty useless. But eating the less wanted meat or produce really helps preventing pollution through overproduction of food that is never eaten. There are many people that think it's more ethical to kill a cow just for it's meat than to eat the meat of a horse, whic…

>I'm simply stating that raising them to eat is better than just gassing them immediately.

I think that is more of an ethical debate than a fact. One could argue that most farmed chickens live a life of suffering, and keeping them suffering long is not better than gassing them immediately.

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Post by raxxorrax »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #21

I think I want to become vegan ... again

I am not, but I didn't eat chickens for a long time now. Allegedly, recent rulings allowed to process diseased chickens in the US and I believe they planned to allow processing dead chickens too. Treatment isn't really better in the rest of the world of course and especially chickens are treated very poorly.

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Post by kgwgk »

ChrisRR wrote: post #40
kgwgk wrote: post #31

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Giving horse meat to animals is a waste :-)

What else are you going to do with a dead horse?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat

(I was joking, I understand there is less desirable horse meat that can still be used to feed animals)

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Post by romanoderoma »

raspyberr wrote: post #29
romanoderoma wrote: post #25

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So the question now becomes: what will they use to make pet food? Given that in US (for example) there are 160 million pets and a cat eats around 200-300 grams of meat everyday, which is more than half of the global World population have at their disposal.

The article says the chicks are used for reptile food. And now basically the eggs will be used for reptile food instead.

The meat of 6 billions chicks was needed to feed domestic reptiles?

Assuming they weight around 30 grams it's ~1,800,000 tons of meat

That's a lot of meat, I didn't know people kept so many reptiles in their homes.

p.s. 1,800,000 tons of meat could feed 180,000,000 people in Africa for a year (assuming an average in North and Central Africa of 10kg/person/year which is optimistic for some of the countries there).

It's astonishing how much food we waste for silly reasons.

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