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China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by free_rms »

jvanderbot wrote: post #36
free_rms wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, the "China is exactly like 1979 Poland" gambit. https://twitter.com/fullhomosexual/status/132880415416539136... The downfall of the US is that we're SO CERTAIN that our way is the only right and good way, and it gives us blind spots.

We can both be flawed. I wouldn't believe a 99% approval here, in China, in Italy, in South Africa, in Poland, anywhere.

The quote: Assessment by third-party agencies earlier this month showed that the poverty incidence in the nine counties in Guizhou decreased to zero percent and that the satisfaction rate among locals was over 99 percent, said Li Jian, director of the provincial poverty alleviation and development office, at a press briefing.

It does sound like that provincial bureaucrat was getting ahead of themselves. It doesn't sound like Orwell 1984, and it's not really the heart of the story.

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Post by arpinum »

I've been in the mountains of Yunnan recently. I have a hard time believing the Lisu have been lifted out of poverty. I did see party investments in the area, but I can't imagine many locals incomes being improved. Investments in dams might show geographic benefits, but its not reaching minority groups. The tourism investments in construction seem to be falling apart without ever getting much use.

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Post by Blahah »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #32
outlace wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably $1740 per annum in rural China is enough to meet basic needs.

Average means approximately half the population makes _less_ than that (In reality, probably more than half, because you need a lot of lower numbers to balance out the population making double/triple/quadruple/more than that).

I've lived in a country with vast scale poverty and what having an average income of over $1k would really functionally eradicate poverty. People are naturally communal in most places and will share resources within nested communities so that the distribution doesn't matter.

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Post by libeclipse »

d3nj4l wrote: post #26
taf2 wrote: post #14

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That's a sad attempt at shifting goalposts. Even as an Indian, I can easily admit that China has done far better economically than my country. Their awful repressive policies and authoritarian government are bad, to be sure, but economically there is no reason to complain.

You currently have a nationalist authoritarian government that is bent on curbing civil rights and is economically incompetent. It's not hard to imagine why China is doing better economically.

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Post by dzonga »

SPBS wrote: post #39
jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

Could you elaborate on why it is such a great achievement? Seems like a pretty natural consequence of their growing economy.

lifting a billion people out of poverty, would be a big achievment in terms of economic planning, logistics and resource planning. those are no small tasks. also while maintaining social integrity. yeah, the ccp takes away a lot of freedoms, but how would you do maintain a cohesive society ?

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Post by libeclipse »

jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

You know what else is a great achievement? The very cool concentration camps chilling in Xinjiang.

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Post by Cymruboogaloo »

SPBS wrote: post #39
jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

Could you elaborate on why it is such a great achievement? Seems like a pretty natural consequence of their growing economy.

You're looking at a country of a billion people, not only that this increase wasn't hoarded like it in the west it was government directed and shared out among most of the people in the country.
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