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Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by edoceo »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #40

Question to those running own mail servers: Putting aside issues with sending mail to recipients using third party providers, have you been able to receive mail reliably from (a) senders using third party providers or (b) senders running their own SMTP.

I've been able to receive nearly 100% from the big guys. For folks that run their own I run into less issues these days. I'm still on Postfix. Some of the client and header checks used to (c2005) be too strict. But! When it failed, there were logs I could see.

If you run your own, you'll want to get some log checking tools to make sure things are tidy.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by edoceo »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #10
optimalsolver wrote: post #5

When I last looked into setting up my own email server, I read that your messages ending up in the spam folder was almost inevitable if the receiver is using a major host (Gmail, iCloud etc.) Is that still an issue?

It's hit and miss. I've been running hosted mail services for years, both for myself and for a handful of other people and businesses. SPF and DKIM are pretty much required now, as are TLS/SSL. From there, it turns into a dice roll. Gmail is terrible about this; they have a totally opaque and very frustrating engine that sometimes filters messages into a junk folder and sometimes doesn't. Outlook.com uses a somewhat…

Please post it when you do

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by illuminated »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #4

I've had a lot of discussions with technical-minded peers about how the only real options for email on your own domain are fastmail or gsuite, which work out to about the same amount of money for a family of 5+, which is a surprisingly large amount (imo worth it). This looks like something worth combining with alps[0] for easy self-hosted email. I might give it a go and ditch gsuite! [0] https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alp…

With mailcow [0] it's pretty simple to setup your own email server in about half an hour with all the security included and having your email not being treated on reception as spam. It also ships with a webmail interface (SOGo [1]), rspamd UI and an admin interface for your server.

I used to be a Kolab [2] user and "promoter" for many years but the project seems stalled a bit recently and although it is still being worked on and developed, it is lacking documentation for the latest releases.

I have moved to mailcow recently and am amazed at how easy it is to setup and maintain as opposed to Kolab.

The thing I miss from Kolab in mailcow is the integrated LDAP storage and custom built UI (if anyone knows a good and reliable LDAP administration UI as a web app, please let me know!), which I got used to using for user authentication in other services. Luckily, there are some efforts in LDAP integration into mailcow [3], although, still not mature yet and not that tightly integrated.

[0] https://mailcow.email/ [1] https://sogo.nu/ [2] https://kolab.org/ [3] https://github.com/Programmierus/ldap-mailcow

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by illuminated »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #40

Question to those running own mail servers: Putting aside issues with sending mail to recipients using third party providers, have you been able to receive mail reliably from (a) senders using third party providers or (b) senders running their own SMTP.

No issues at all. It comes down to the way they have set up their own mail servers. Incoming email is being checked for DKIM, DMARC, etc and then handled based on that. Logs are also super helpful in determining what went how in the reception process.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by curiousfab »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #40

Question to those running own mail servers: Putting aside issues with sending mail to recipients using third party providers, have you been able to receive mail reliably from (a) senders using third party providers or (b) senders running their own SMTP.

Yes, and yes, no problems ever with receiving mail on my self-hosted systems. exim4, self-signed cert. Sending is what may be difficult but personally I only had very minor trouble with that (VPS on a reputable provider, all set up properly).

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by beagle3 »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #4

I've had a lot of discussions with technical-minded peers about how the only real options for email on your own domain are fastmail or gsuite, which work out to about the same amount of money for a family of 5+, which is a surprisingly large amount (imo worth it). This looks like something worth combining with alps[0] for easy self-hosted email. I might give it a go and ditch gsuite! [0] https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alp…

There are a lot of smaller providers (but not fly-by-night, like dreamhost and 34sp which both have >20 years record) which will give you a domain with up to e.g. 100 emails for $5-$10/month, which is significantly cheaper than gsuite or fastmail.

Another good alternative is migadu (who sponsored the webmail you linked above, and IIRC are already using it). They do charge about $20/year for a micro plan that lets you have any number of addresses and domains , with some throughput limits, and $90/year for a full plan without those limits. Something similar to the micro plan was free until recently - personally, I'm on the $90 plan with a few domains and emails, which would have cost about 10 times on much on gsuite and fastmail.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by OJFord »

aarchi wrote: post #14
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not the same thing. I agree with the link, in that it is most definitely a hack. This only works because your domain registrar is handling email for you to begin with, which is undesirable for many reasons. Also, while aliases in gmail work generally, I find they leak the main gmail account address, which makes them significantly less desirable.

Why do you say that it's undesirable for your registrar to handle mail? I've considered using Gandi's mail with my domains.

Not GP but that's a coupling I don't want - I want to be able to change registrar without worrying about email.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by NetOpWibby »

gclawes wrote: post #2

Kinda disappointing there's no JMAP support. I understand why, though.

As soon as there’s an IMAP/JMAP module that’s useable I’m going work on my email client concept again. I got far enough, receiving and displaying mail but IMAP is super frustrating to deal with.

Maddy looks great though, I may start playing around with it.

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