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Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives

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Post by tunesmith »

flockonus wrote: post #8
tunesmith wrote: post #2

I think there could be potential with allowing the community to moderate more of facebook/twitter. This is just based off of my theory that our perspective of who Others are is completely warped. We already know that the most extreme are the ones more likely to share extreme opinions, and that only some % of lurkers say things publicly, but even with that I think we're really ill-equipped to understand just how far i…

Would only work if the network in question has solved the Sybil[1] identity problem, which is clearly not the case in any network today. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

What about Nextdoor?

Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives

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Post by trevyn »

specialist wrote: post #37
flockonus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would only work if the network in question has solved the Sybil[1] identity problem, which is clearly not the case in any network today. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

It's killing me that no one is talking about authentic speech. We have very little. Social mediums (Twitter, HN, Instagram, Yelp, etc) must also support verified identities. Opt-in. Just like metafilter.com. With onerous penalties for impersonation. The outrage machine apologists (select examples below) are trying to post-authentic inauthentic speech. Algorithms will save us. This cannot work. Ever. Because the belli…

There is a flaw in your argument: Anonymous journalism can be perfectly valuable if it can be corroborated by other means.

Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives

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Post by specialist »

trevyn wrote: post #42
specialist wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's killing me that no one is talking about authentic speech. We have very little. Social mediums (Twitter, HN, Instagram, Yelp, etc) must also support verified identities. Opt-in. Just like metafilter.com. With onerous penalties for impersonation. The outrage machine apologists (select examples below) are trying to post-authentic inauthentic speech. Algorithms will save us. This cannot work. Ever. Because the belli…

There is a flaw in your argument: Anonymous journalism can be perfectly valuable if it can be corroborated by other means.

You think authentic and inauthentic speech are mutually exclusive?

Why? Because slippery slope?

So I can't have any authentic speech ever because someone might want to remain anon.

What am I missing here? On the internet, no one knows you're a dog. We are all anon. There is no verifiable authentic speech.

Would you trust unsigned apps?

How much science is done anonymously?

We insist that websites are authenticated (using HTTPS).

But not Freedom Speeches™. Totally different. Authenticating any speech whatsoever is... Is what? How does authenticated speech harm any one? How?

Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives

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Post by mjgs »

savanaly wrote: post #4

I was interested by the following part: >COWEN: Now, as you know, Wikipedia is open. It’s free. It doesn’t have ads. It’s a dream of the early tech utopians. Why is it the only surviving dream of that kind that has persisted? >WALES: Well, it’s an interesting thing, and I’m not sure it’s the only, but it’s certainly the most famous and the largest. Can HN think of any other examples? Funny enough I immediately though…

I totally focused in on the same bit. I reckon Wordpress has an earlyish web utopian vibe, or I guess technically it’s the parent company Automattic.

Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives

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Post by cinquemb »

zozbot234 wrote: post #20
cinquemb wrote: post #16

Tyler should interview Larry Sanger… Encyclosphere sounds more interesting to me at this point[0] [0] https://larrysanger.org/2019/10/ksf/

How is this different from what Wikidata is already doing? Choosing any Wikipedia article and clicking "Wikidata item" in the sidebar will lead you to a list of structured data about the entity, including links to corresponding articles in online knowledge bases, encyclopedias and other reference works. FWIW, all of this structured data is freely available under CC0 license.

If you think this is just about structured data, then you are missing the bigger picture layed out there…
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