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Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Post by hannob »

danparsonson wrote: post #29
raxxorrax wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people might buy cheap used cars in 2029 that might be on the road till 2040-2050. If he is serious about it, which is rare when officials promise something 10 years into the future, he would suggest a plan to provide the needed infrastructure.

What's the alternative? Destroy all petrol and diesel cars in 2029? If they didn't allow a transition period then it wouldn't go well.

Mandate a switch to e-fuels. Start with "all fossil-based fuels need to add 1% of synthetic e-fuels next year" and increase it to 100% over time. You can still drive your ICE car, but it'll become expensive.

Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Post by ChrisRR »

physicsguy wrote: post #31

Many, many houses do not have anything other than on-street parking here. Since 2012 I've lived in 5 houses, and three of them had no driveway. I'm currently buying a house which has no drive way, with no way of fitting one. Apparently 1/3 houses have only on street parking. Unless they also provide huge, huge grants to rapidly implement dense onstreet charging, and fast, this is a pipedream and will end up getting p…

I agree. My previous flat had parking about 50 metres away. The previous, people just parked anywhere on the road. I bet they won't be installing charging points at every random location on a road that anyone could possible park on

Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Post by djmobley »

LatteLazy wrote: post #30

This perfectly epitomises the uk (and the rest of the worlds) attitude to global warming: * it's a non binding commitment to do something but not for at least a decade * it's not enough even if it does happen * it will be too late by then (it probably already is for anything but drastic action) * it's totally at the whim of future governments who will be no more willing to spend the money/time/popularity than the cur…

I think you’ve completely missed the point of what is a very reasonable and forward-thinking signalling exercise.

You cannot have sudden cliff-edges in policies (like banning the sale of new ICE vehicles) that would put thousands, if not millions of people out of jobs.

You need to send signals like this to the market well in advance so they can invest and plan ahead.

Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Post by tiborsaas »

obilgic wrote: post #9

I don't think anyone will be prefer non-electric cars in 3-5 years anyways

Besides having an electric car, I'd love to have a 70-80's sports car for the looks and feel of it. It would be just for fun and luxury.

If it would be illegal, I'd just convert them to electric, Gattaca style.

Imagine Rowan Atkinson's reaction to this news, as he's an avid super car collector :)

Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Post by Tade0 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #22
adrianN wrote: post #3

This is a necessary step to becoming carbon neutral by 2050. Countries that don't make similar announcements soon are not serious about that goal.

A lot of people might buy cheap used cars in 2029 that might be on the road till 2040-2050. If he is serious about it, which is rare when officials promise something 10 years into the future, he would suggest a plan to provide the needed infrastructure.

Joke's on them, because nowadays cars are made with a focus on the first owner's experience - some parts have become more expensive and integrated, so keeping an ICE vehicle running in 2050 is going to cost a fortune.

Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Post by kungito »

physicsguy wrote: post #31

Many, many houses do not have anything other than on-street parking here. Since 2012 I've lived in 5 houses, and three of them had no driveway. I'm currently buying a house which has no drive way, with no way of fitting one. Apparently 1/3 houses have only on street parking. Unless they also provide huge, huge grants to rapidly implement dense onstreet charging, and fast, this is a pipedream and will end up getting p…

You can buy a used petrol car for the next 20 years. I guess not having a place to charge your electric car will become a sign of the lower classes

Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Post by frenchy »

PopeDotNinja wrote: post #28
adrianN wrote: post #3

This is a necessary step to becoming carbon neutral by 2050. Countries that don't make similar announcements soon are not serious about that goal.

I’m not sure about the economics of it, but I’d rather drive a car powered by synthetic gasoline made from pulling carbon dioxide out of the air. No new CO2 combined with no restrictions on range & quick refueling times sounds like a win. I still don’t know where people will plug in all of these electric cars.

If you can devise a way of synthesizing gasoline from CO2 in the atmosphere that doesn't require a huge amount of solar energy and/or a few million years, you'll be a very popular person.

It's a matter of fighting against the laws of thermodynamics.

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Post by cyxxon »

8draco8 wrote: post #16
obilgic wrote: post #9

I don't think anyone will be prefer non-electric cars in 3-5 years anyways

For years people will prefer non-electric cars. From a perspective of someone with his own driveway this is a nobrainer to have electric car but many people in EU live in apartment blocks and there is simply no infrastructure there to charge all necessary cars. I will be able to say that "no one should have a reason to drive petrol car" when 0-100 charge time will be around 15 minutes.

I don't understand why you were downvoted. This is exactly it. I live in Germany, and bought a petrol gar this year. I'd love to have a battery EV. I simply cannot charge it anywhere, maybe at work (and since Corona started I have been to the office exactly once). There are like two public charging spots in the city of 320k people I live in (that I know of), and I'd say 70% or 80% of people here do not have a driveway or garage. As long as this infrastructure problem is not solved the government can make EV cars cheaper or not, as long as people cannot use them, petrol will go strong.

Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

mister_hn wrote: post #32

I hope that with these bans, actually the government will take action on the high prices of electric vehicles and on the charging infrastructure. A middle-size car can't cost € 40.000 (without batteries!), a lot of people can't afford them.

I know that decent electric cars will drop in price over time, but I don't know if they'll become in reach. I also am not convinced the secondhand market will be any good in the next decade, batteries have a limited lifespan and will need to be replaced eventually.

You can buy a beater for <1000 pounds which can still work just fine for a few years, I don't see that happening with electric cars.

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