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Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by crb002 »

lsllc wrote: post #17

Sounds a bit like Docker is at a loss. Caught between a closed source OS (rock) and an architecture change (hard place). Ideally, they could leverage Rosetta2 to run x64 containers under macOS on Apple Silicon ... but I guess Apple isn't playing ball (because otherwise they would have probably announced it at WWDC). At this point I see an Apple Silicon based Mac is just a consumer device, I don't think I'm going to b…

AWS Graviton 2 ARM instances are more cost effective for most server loads. This is a gateway to saving a lot of cloud spend.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

#42

Post by crb002 »

offtop5 wrote: post #32

Can we give them a full month to sort this out ? I want x64 docker on Arm , as this could also be massive for server power consumption. But things take time . If your some wiz kid who can crack this puzzle you’ll have a billion dollar startup within 6 months As someone who’s published on the App Store , having a single binary run on IPhone , IPad and Mac is a much much bigger deal than most of you realize .

I don't want x86 Docker on ARM.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by DarmokJalad1701 »

johnklos wrote: post #11
cosmotic wrote: post #2

This doesn't really clear up any of the questions I have. Will docker running on ARM run docker containers from images built for x86? Will docker running on ARM be able to build images for x86?

Answer your own question: Can Docker on ARM run x86? Can Docker on x86 run ARM? If not, then why expect Apple ARM to run x86?

> Can Docker on x86 run ARM

Yes. There are ways to set up Docker to seamlessly run arm containers on x86 using CPU emulation.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by coding123 »

crb002 wrote: post #42
offtop5 wrote: post #32

Can we give them a full month to sort this out ? I want x64 docker on Arm , as this could also be massive for server power consumption. But things take time . If your some wiz kid who can crack this puzzle you’ll have a billion dollar startup within 6 months As someone who’s published on the App Store , having a single binary run on IPhone , IPad and Mac is a much much bigger deal than most of you realize .

I don't want x86 Docker on ARM.

... so what, so no one else should be allowed to want it?

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

#46

Post by noelherrick »

crb002 wrote: post #41
lsllc wrote: post #17

Sounds a bit like Docker is at a loss. Caught between a closed source OS (rock) and an architecture change (hard place). Ideally, they could leverage Rosetta2 to run x64 containers under macOS on Apple Silicon ... but I guess Apple isn't playing ball (because otherwise they would have probably announced it at WWDC). At this point I see an Apple Silicon based Mac is just a consumer device, I don't think I'm going to b…

AWS Graviton 2 ARM instances are more cost effective for most server loads. This is a gateway to saving a lot of cloud spend.

I agree with you, but there's probably already been some pressure with people wanting to use Raspberry PIs/other ARM-based boards for K8s clusters. I wonder where that tipping point will come.

Anandtech's benchmarks: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15578/cloud-clash-amazon-grav... Here's a tweet about one company's experience: https://twitter.com/lizthegrey/status/1314618333140971521

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

#47

Post by Shank »

The really perplexing thing to me here is that Docker Desktop...was featured on stage at the Apple event. How? Did Apple just hack it together and get it working? Was it just fake? Was Docker involved at all?

I feel like it was implied that Apple was doing the hard work here, but now it looks more like nobody was doing the work, and showing it off working was a hat trick?

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

#48

Post by tw04 »

offtop5 wrote: post #32

Can we give them a full month to sort this out ? I want x64 docker on Arm , as this could also be massive for server power consumption. But things take time . If your some wiz kid who can crack this puzzle you’ll have a billion dollar startup within 6 months As someone who’s published on the App Store , having a single binary run on IPhone , IPad and Mac is a much much bigger deal than most of you realize .

Why? I would expect the user experience to suffer on one or both. MS already went down this path and the end result were apps that made compromises to try being usable on both platforms.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by paxys »

Shank wrote: post #47

The really perplexing thing to me here is that Docker Desktop...was featured on stage at the Apple event. How? Did Apple just hack it together and get it working? Was it just fake? Was Docker involved at all? I feel like it was implied that Apple was doing the hard work here, but now it looks more like nobody was doing the work, and showing it off working was a hat trick?

FYI "hat trick" has an entirely different meaning
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