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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by detaro »

bigbubba wrote: post #30
detaro wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The webhost had a different situation: neither code nor binaries were hosted with them. Although DMCA specifically doesn't apply to a German hoster of course, and uberspace is run by the kinds of people that'd probably try and take this to court instead of just rolling over.

I don't follow, a few days ago I downloaded the tarball of the code and 'binary' (it's a Python script) from their website. Both seemed to be hosted there. https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.1...

That link redirects to a file on gitlab.com, and that they don't host it was given by uberspace as part of the reason for ignoring the request.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by johannes1234321 »

bigbubba wrote: post #27
crumbshot wrote: post #15

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And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

In their self view they ensure that artists earn money for their living, thus allow artists to survive. And there is some truth to it. Finding the right balance is hard ... but in my view they "rights holder industry" is too strong indeed.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by grumple »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #43
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

In their self view they ensure that artists earn money for their living, thus allow artists to survive. And there is some truth to it. Finding the right balance is hard ... but in my view they "rights holder industry" is too strong indeed.

I'd be interested in seeing how much money from their suits gets to the artists, or even to distributors - or what effect on revenue their deterrence causes.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by ForHackernews »

andrepd wrote: post #39
ForHackernews wrote: post #34

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Everyone thinks they're saving the world. I'm sure the RIAA sleeps soundly knowing they're defending the rights of creative individuals to make a living and holding the line against the scourge of amoral nihilistic pirates.

I'm much more cynical. They know they're bastards but they make far far too much money to care.

I doubt it. Every time there's an article on here about the latest outrage from $FaceGoogzon there's no shortage of well-paid rationalisers in the comments. I'd expect the same is true of the RIAA. Especially among their legal team: there are far more unseemly clients than the RIAA out there.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by bigbubba »

grumple wrote: post #44
johannes1234321 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their self view they ensure that artists earn money for their living, thus allow artists to survive. And there is some truth to it. Finding the right balance is hard ... but in my view they "rights holder industry" is too strong indeed.

I'd be interested in seeing how much money from their suits gets to the artists, or even to distributors - or what effect on revenue their deterrence causes.

Right, these lawyers are parasites sucking blood not just from society in general, but also blood from most of the artists ostensibly represented by the RIAA. If any artists come out ahead from anything the RIAA's lawyers do, it's only the elite already-wealthy ones.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by geogra4 »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #43
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

In their self view they ensure that artists earn money for their living, thus allow artists to survive. And there is some truth to it. Finding the right balance is hard ... but in my view they "rights holder industry" is too strong indeed.

I think its probably similar to medicine in that there is a gigantic industry of middlemen that suck money out of the system and make far more than the actual service providers

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #16

Was a counter-notice filed, or did github restore it without one, once the tests were removed? Because my understanding was that certain decryption/anti-drm functions were also in the scope of the takedown request, not just the tests.

I think github's CEO was keen to restore it [0], probably on a matter of principle but also probably on how much negative advertisement it brings them, in terms of 'trusting' github as host.

I am sure they had MS's legal team advise them on what they can get away with.

[0] https://twitter.com/t3rr4dice/status/1320660235363749888

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by dbeley »

Excellent news, now the community has a central place to contribute. All in all I think it even had a positive impact for youtube-dl, the community will learn from it, and the number of people knowing about youtube-dl has grown by quite a lot.
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