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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by _qulr »

dylan604 wrote: post #35

"we received a call from Apple" is this a literal statement where some human from Apple called on the telephone to speak to someone about this situation, or is this a phrase that actually means they received an email notification about the situation? I ask because it seems well outside the norm of no-human contact regarding support from FAANG companies.

It's a literal statement. Apple has phone calls with developers on occasion, especially in cases like this. Unusual, but not at all unprecedented.

I'll just mention the famous case when a developer actually recorded the phone call with Apple: https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-and-apple-my-side-of-the-story

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by mtzaldo »

nextos wrote: post #12
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #2

As beautiful and polished as iOS is it is policies like these that keep me on Android. I wish iSH the best of luck, but I will stick with Termux ( https://termux.com/ ) on Android for now.

It's sad. I'm a Linux diehard, but during the pandemic I considered buying an iPad to SSH into my office workstation, browse the web, etc. as I got stuck in an awkward accommodation. Hardware is great, but the keyboard lacks a dedicated ESC, and I was quite uncomfortable with the fact that terminal apps seem like second rate citizens / not well liked by Apple. IMHO, there's a lot of untapped potential in the iPad as…

Lenovo Chromebook Duet, it is an awesone little chromebook tablet that suport android apps and linux containers. 128gb storage and 4gb of ram for about 300 dlls. it was on sale for about 230 last week.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by hrktb »

nextos wrote: post #12
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #2

As beautiful and polished as iOS is it is policies like these that keep me on Android. I wish iSH the best of luck, but I will stick with Termux ( https://termux.com/ ) on Android for now.

It's sad. I'm a Linux diehard, but during the pandemic I considered buying an iPad to SSH into my office workstation, browse the web, etc. as I got stuck in an awkward accommodation. Hardware is great, but the keyboard lacks a dedicated ESC, and I was quite uncomfortable with the fact that terminal apps seem like second rate citizens / not well liked by Apple. IMHO, there's a lot of untapped potential in the iPad as…

I concur, the iPad is not yet a good place for development, except for python and JS perhaps if it's reasonably self contained.

I tried with the Pro, the best setup was to remote into a raspberry pi. Editors are becoming better but it's still clunky partly because of the git integration that must be done with another app and the general lack of multi-windowing.

A chromebook with the linux install seems a best choice for now (didn't try but looked viable enough)

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by threeseed »

mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much.

Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by teruakohatu »

threeseed wrote: post #44
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by smnrchrds »

burrows wrote: post #39
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

Nah. If the current crop of developers leaves the platform then another crop will take their place.

You are being downvoted, but the entire video game industry is the living proof that you can mistreat your developers and use a high churn rate to make sure you never run out of them.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by blunte »

There are at least two reasons that Apple tries to prevent tools like iSH. In order of what I suspect is their motivation:

1. Users can be foolish or even tricked into installing apps and entering commands. If iSH provided a possible attack vector, these kinds of users would get bitten (and they would complain about weak Apple security). As Apple really does seem to be making a strong effort on security (and privacy, it appears?), losing a few useful apps and a few users is worth the trade.

2. This is a bit more of a stretch, but for various reasons Apple wants to control the macos/ios development process. Whether it's to force developers to own Mac computers (when xcode could probably run quite well on iPad Pro...), or to perhaps guarantee a more consistent outcome (which ultimately should affect the users in a positive way, or at least a less negative way), Apple wants to control the process.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

dylan604 wrote: post #35

"we received a call from Apple" is this a literal statement where some human from Apple called on the telephone to speak to someone about this situation, or is this a phrase that actually means they received an email notification about the situation? I ask because it seems well outside the norm of no-human contact regarding support from FAANG companies.

Apple is actually pretty good at having humans interact with us (developers).

I generally don't have to spend long in the "Anything but talking to a human" distraction gauntlet.

They don't always tell us what we want to hear, but they do call.

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