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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #29
rayiner wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We just had an election with widespread mail in voting with extended deadlines and historic turnout. And if anything Trump’s support among non-white voters went up. What does that suggest re: the scale of voter suppression?

The GOP actively sought, across the country, to handicap or prevent mail and absentee voting to suppress votes that typically fall to Democrats. The president tweeted about unproven voter fraud and to stop counting votes. If that isn’t attempts at brazen voter suppression, I don’t know what is. Democracy was stress tested, and it still worked.

There have been serious irregularities that suggest voter fraud in Democrat controlled precincts within swing states.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by toomuchtodo »

koolba wrote: post #39
rayiner wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we watching the same election? We just had an election with historic turnout and easy voting and Biden will have won by less than Obama did twice. Against a historically unpopular President in the middle of a pandemic. Doesn’t that suggest the map is about as blue as we thought? Also, the “red team” has been actively helping expand voter access all over the country. The Republican Georgia Secretary of State and t…

This election should be a wake up call to entire country and Democrats in particular. There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post. If it were not for the pandemic I'm convinced the Trump turnout for this election would have produced results rivaling Reagan in 1984. Even with a pandemic he was able to drive more voters to the polls on election day than any point in American history.

Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging.

This was high tide for conservative votes. [3]

[1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old...

[2] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/20/a-wider-par...

[3] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-mille...

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by s9w »

neves wrote: post #5

Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

I dig the HN fanfiction these days. refusing to leave? He's the president. The next one has not been decided.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by bdcravens »

s9w wrote: post #44
neves wrote: post #5

Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

I dig the HN fanfiction these days. refusing to leave? He's the president. The next one has not been decided.

Correct, he doesn't have to leave until January 20, 2021.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by tzs »

1over137 wrote: post #31
malnourish wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Close in the Electoral College, where it matters; quite distant in the popular vote. The gap is estimated to be about 4 million more votes for Biden at this time, it is also the most votes for a president in US history. e: I will concede that it is not "quite distant", though it may not end up close in the EC when it's all said and done either.

4 million is not a lot in country of 330 million. The popular vote was close to 50/50.

It's probably going to be quite a bit more than 4 million. There are still several heavily blue states that have a lot of votes left to count.

California, for example, has only counted 77% of their votes. New York has counted 84%. Illinois has counted 89%.

I just caught the end of some discussion of this on NPR. Based on the number of votes left to count in the various states and how they are expected to turn out, there is a good chance it will end up at around 8 million.

Also, it probably makes more sense to look at it out of the number of voters, or the number of people who could have voted, rather than out of the whole population.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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googthrowaway42 wrote: post #41
toomuchtodo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GOP actively sought, across the country, to handicap or prevent mail and absentee voting to suppress votes that typically fall to Democrats. The president tweeted about unproven voter fraud and to stop counting votes. If that isn’t attempts at brazen voter suppression, I don’t know what is. Democracy was stress tested, and it still worked.

There have been serious irregularities that suggest voter fraud in Democrat controlled precincts within swing states.

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