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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by thrownaway954 » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:03 PM UTC

vorticalbox wrote: post #40

> While GitHub’s CEO Nat Friedman was annoyed by RIAA takedown efforts, he stressed that the platform legally had to comply, which it did. It would be nice if for once platforms stood up legally for their users when they believe its unjust.

i agree with you... now show them your support by sending them a blank check for their legal fees. oh... i'm sorry... did i offend HN, strike a nerve and become a troll?

no i did not. i am demonstrating that most people on this site haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about.

it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it is worth the risk to fight or comply.

github knows that getting into a heated legal battle is going to cost alot, especially going up against the deep pockets of the RIAA. not saying that github and microsoft don't have deep pockets, but that this _will_ become an expensive battle to fight and defending a grey area open source project isn't worth the time nor the money.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by goatinaboat » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:04 PM UTC

hyperman1 wrote: post #22

skj wrote: post #5

Does one imagine that the RIAA is substantially worried about this? I don't. I'm sure they see it as a total win.

It seems one of the RIAA's jobs is doing unpopular things and taking the blame. The recording studios can keep them at arms length and stay reasonably spotless while they are the real responsibles for these actions.

Blame-as-a-Service. The business model of many management consultants.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by dmitriid » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:04 PM UTC

bogwog wrote: post #33

michelb wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. This just plays into their hands.

Not necessarily. If this situation goes viral and leads to an overall increase in piracy, someone at RIAA will have to answer for it.

Napster was viral.

oink.cd was viral.

PopcornTime is viral.

The Pirate Bay was/is viral.

RIAA doesn't care. Their main business is extortion racket. And it's extremely lucrative.

And it's extortion on all sides. They extort money from DMCA and copyright lawsuits. They extort money from artists. They extort money from music services.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by dotancohen » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:05 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #31

hyperman1 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems one of the RIAA's jobs is doing unpopular things and taking the blame. The recording studios can keep them at arms length and stay reasonably spotless while they are the real responsibles for these actions.

I don't think the studios care either, it's the artists that are at the forefront. As long as their image is not spoiled the rest doesn't really matter, I doubt many people buy (or don't buy) an album because it's published by Sony Music or Universal.

I know laymen that otherwise wouldn't care, but would not buy Sony Music. Sony ruined some hardware back in the day. I don't think that anyone I know personally had hardware ruined, but they heard of it and learned to stay clear of Sony Music.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by goatinaboat » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:07 PM UTC

thrownaway954 wrote: post #41

vorticalbox wrote: post #40

> While GitHub’s CEO Nat Friedman was annoyed by RIAA takedown efforts, he stressed that the platform legally had to comply, which it did. It would be nice if for once platforms stood up legally for their users when they believe its unjust.

i agree with you... now show them your support by sending them a blank check for their legal fees. oh... i'm sorry... did i offend HN, strike a nerve and become a troll? no i did not. i am demonstrating that most people on this site haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about. it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it…

it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it is worth the risk to fight or comply

Genuine question: why? The police won't get involved in a civil matter, only a criminal one. So what happens if you just ignore the other side's lawyers?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by dotancohen » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:08 PM UTC

thrownaway954 wrote: post #41

vorticalbox wrote: post #40

> While GitHub’s CEO Nat Friedman was annoyed by RIAA takedown efforts, he stressed that the platform legally had to comply, which it did. It would be nice if for once platforms stood up legally for their users when they believe its unjust.

i agree with you... now show them your support by sending them a blank check for their legal fees. oh... i'm sorry... did i offend HN, strike a nerve and become a troll? no i did not. i am demonstrating that most people on this site haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about. it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it…

Is Microsoft a stranger to long, expensive legal battles? They've taken that risk before when it suited pushing their monopoly.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by raxxorrax » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:13 PM UTC

vorticalbox wrote: post #40

> While GitHub’s CEO Nat Friedman was annoyed by RIAA takedown efforts, he stressed that the platform legally had to comply, which it did. It would be nice if for once platforms stood up legally for their users when they believe its unjust.

Too expensive. The fault lies with legislators and the damage was already done years ago.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by solarkraft » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:14 PM UTC

This didn't backfire for the RIAA, it backfired for GitHub, who are absolutely not the bad guys in this. They have expressed more support for the project than they would have needed to and are bound to laws.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by dotancohen » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:16 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #32

jankotek wrote: post #20

Github is part of critical infrastructure. It is bad enough it is blocked in Iran and some other countries.

Then that's a problem that needs fixing. Make the web decentralized again!

If only we had some form of decentralized source code management.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by raxxorrax » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 2:18 PM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #46

thrownaway954 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i agree with you... now show them your support by sending them a blank check for their legal fees. oh... i'm sorry... did i offend HN, strike a nerve and become a troll? no i did not. i am demonstrating that most people on this site haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about. it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it…

Is Microsoft a stranger to long, expensive legal battles? They've taken that risk before when it suited pushing their monopoly.

And since Microsoft is a RIAA member...