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Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by coldpie » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM UTC

syndacks wrote: post #24

I take serious moral concern with the notion that we can "spend our way out of climate disaster" as these initiatives ultimately suggest. Furthermore, this makes individuals feel better about doing something (having agency). This is a false sense of making a difference; we need sweeping, fundamental changes to address climate change, not at the individual level, but at the state level and beyond.

> we need sweeping, fundamental changes to address climate change, not at the individual level, but at the state level and beyond.

If that isn't happening, what's your next suggestion?

Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:49 PM UTC

gravitystorm wrote: post #29

Carbon capture is necessary in the long term, for particular emissions that are hard to avoid (like specific industrial processes and parts of agriculture). But while we're still pumping out emissions that can be easily and cheaply displaced today, like coal and gas fired grid electricity, then the money being spent on carbon capture is being spent terribly ineffectively. And globally, we don't have the time or money…

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Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by dubcanada » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:50 PM UTC

alien1993 wrote: post #39

Yet another way to feel like you're doing something while doing absolutely nothing, or maybe even worse. Keep it up people!

I mean donating money to CarbFix for example is not exactly doing nothing?

Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by akhilcacharya » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:52 PM UTC

This is legitimately strange. Between this and their magazine, what does this have to do with payment processing?

Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by dubcanada » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM UTC

akhilcacharya wrote: post #44

This is legitimately strange. Between this and their magazine, what does this have to do with payment processing?

It's a company, companies are allowed to do something besides their core focus.

Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by frakkingcylons » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:55 PM UTC

akhilcacharya wrote: post #44

This is legitimately strange. Between this and their magazine, what does this have to do with payment processing?

What’s strange about it? I’d not be surprised if some sizable fraction of Stripe customers wanted to help reduce the effects of climate change.

Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by MuffinFlavored » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:56 PM UTC

gravitystorm wrote: post #29

Carbon capture is necessary in the long term, for particular emissions that are hard to avoid (like specific industrial processes and parts of agriculture). But while we're still pumping out emissions that can be easily and cheaply displaced today, like coal and gas fired grid electricity, then the money being spent on carbon capture is being spent terribly ineffectively. And globally, we don't have the time or money…

> But while we're still pumping out emissions that can be easily and cheaply displaced today, like coal and gas fired grid electricity

Coal and gas fired electricity can be easily and cheaply displaced today? Then why isn't it? I was under the impression that we needed coal + gas still because it wasn't easy or cheap to meet the energy level needs of today with alternatives.

Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by garth5689 » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM UTC

tasogare wrote: post #16

parhamn wrote: post #2

This is really cool! Kudos to the team there for doing this!! Semi-shameless plug (it's for the environment!!): We're launching something similar next week here [1]. Instead pulling off revenue we're helping teams plant trees when they close an issue or merge a PR. I think the additional visibility to the team members as they work has a great feel-good vibe! We currently connect with Github, Bitbucket, Gitlab & JIRA.…

This smptomatic of the green-washing trend. Planting trees by itself is not an action that is inherently good: it is if placed where useful for instance to fight desertification, it can be dommageable in other cases such as planting non native species, or planting moni-cture forest. As usual with this kind of initiative, there is no info on the type of trees planted, where they are and why it does matter to the local…

If anyone wants some evidence supporting this comment's overall idea, here's an applicable podcast episode to provide some examples of when indiscriminately planting trees might have unintended consequences:

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/for-the-love-of-peat/

Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by shinryuu » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

sritchie wrote: post #10

If anyone from Stripe is reading - is it possible yet for me to simply donate money to the portfolio you’ve assembled without running a business? We purchase monthly offsets now and I’d love to switch to funding direct carbon capture (and will happily spend more).

Nori.com might interest you they work with carbon removal as well.

Re: Stripe Climate

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Post by JshWright » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 4:00 PM UTC

immmmmm wrote: post #30

Removing carbon from the atmosphere is a fight against the second law of thermodynamic. To win a fight against Entropy one needs energy, and typically a lot of. My question is simple: where do we find enough energy to capture the carbon that was emitted during the 200 last years? Because we consume already too much energy i fear..

And until we're fully transitioned to carbon neutral energy, isn't that energy better spent replacing CO2 emitting energy sources?