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Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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please... please stop. i really don't care for all this inclusive language crap and all it is is an attempt to shame people. if you get that easily offended by the way people talk you need to look deep at yourself and see what is the true reason for it. maybe you have deep down self trauma, anger issues or something else that needs to be sort out in therapy. btw... there is _nothing_ wrong in admitting that you have…

I appreciate your opinion. And maybe there is some truth to your statement. But in the professional context, none of that really matters IMO. If someone in your team is offended (and yes, it might seem stupid to you), then the dynamic of the team is thrown off. And ultimately, productivity suffers. That's how I'm thinking about it these days.

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Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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Saying "guys" in no way affects someone's safety. It's potentially rude maybe if someone showed displeasure with the phrase yet you persist, but no threat of harm comes from it.

Well that's easy for you to say. The whole point of political correctness is not to assume that no one can get offended, but to avoid certain types of speech which have either been proven to be offensive or where society has agreed upon that they might be offensive in some circumstances.

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Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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post #22

please... please stop. i really don't care for all this inclusive language crap and all it is is an attempt to shame people. if you get that easily offended by the way people talk you need to look deep at yourself and see what is the true reason for it. maybe you have deep down self trauma, anger issues or something else that needs to be sort out in therapy. btw... there is _nothing_ wrong in admitting that you have…

If you think inclusive language is an attempt to shame people, then YOU might have to look deep at yourself. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the point of inclusive language is so that people who identify as female or non-binary have less reason to be offended, and can generally feel more safe in an environment because less trigger words are used. edit: I would also appreciate that the people downvoting me would…

I agree with you whole-heartedly. I tend to find those who feel the need to "fight against this" are the ones who are not on the receiving end.

Sure, there are plenty of radicalized people who take this as an opportunity to shame, but I do not see the harm or difficulty in changing "guys" to "folks" or "team" if it makes someone feel more inclusive.

I've hired and work with a number of trans and marginalized people, it was extremely simple for me to start saying "hey folks" without the need to throw a tantrum over it.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

#44
Why is it difficult to consider that guys is not the plural of guy? Or that girl is not a perfect analog of boy?

I understand the logic of "it's not how you mean it but rather how I take it" but at some point people are going to start to think this isn't how you take but some sort of ideological power play.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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> It the phrase that feels the most natural to me when speaking to group of people. Dictionaries seem to agree: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/guy "used to address a group of people of either sex"

While dictionaries are guidelines as to what is accepted use of a language, these accepted uses and dictionaries are no laws. A dictionary is only a snapshot of the rules which society agreed upon in the past and thus will certainly be changed in future.

So we're deciding right now that "guys" is a group of men? Why are we deciding to have the least inclusive possible meaning?

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

#48
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "guys" in no way affects someone's safety. It's potentially rude maybe if someone showed displeasure with the phrase yet you persist, but no threat of harm comes from it.

Well that's easy for you to say. The whole point of political correctness is not to assume that no one can get offended, but to avoid certain types of speech which have either been proven to be offensive or where society has agreed upon that they might be offensive in some circumstances.

The political correctness debate reminds me of the 'Covid etiquette' debate happening around the world now.

I guess it's possible for both sides to be at fault - one side should be sensitive to others' preferences and proceed carefully perhaps by wearing a mask when they know it isn't required, perhaps by using pronouns carefully even when they don't know which are preferred. The other side needs to recognize that their preferences are not universal. People tend to want to bend all others to their particular risk assessment, and bend everyone to their usage of English to differentiate human beings from each other. Do they have a point? Sure. Is it worth the relational damage to impose this viewpoint on everyone? Maybe? Maybe not.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

#49

please... please stop. i really don't care for all this inclusive language crap and all it is is an attempt to shame people. if you get that easily offended by the way people talk you need to look deep at yourself and see what is the true reason for it. maybe you have deep down self trauma, anger issues or something else that needs to be sort out in therapy. btw... there is _nothing_ wrong in admitting that you have…

I appreciate your opinion. And maybe there is some truth to your statement. But in the professional context, none of that really matters IMO. If someone in your team is offended (and yes, it might seem stupid to you), then the dynamic of the team is thrown off. And ultimately, productivity suffers. That's how I'm thinking about it these days.

i would rather offend one person than cater to one person. if everyone else is fun loving and easy going, you do the entire team an injustice by pandering to one toxic person and keeping them on the team... get rid of them. that is what a professional does... professionals value the team more than one person. one person can be replaced easily, a team cannot.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

#50

I coached girls recreation basketball and found it weird (after a lifetime of playing basketball) to say "guard your man" or "find your man" etc. "guard your woman" and "guard your girl" also didn't "sound right" although that could be as a result of my bias.

Interesting one. Would "foe" work?

Nobody uses "foe" that way, at least not in whatever dialect of English I speak. "Opponent" might work.
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