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Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Post by dawidw »

mcv wrote: post #24

One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody stren…

> how inherently sexist it is

Something is sexist when you create sex criteria. So the whole sport is sexist since you have distinguish between men and women categories in most of the disciplines.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Post by watwut »

filleduchaos wrote: post #40
OneGuy123 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many males do you know how genuienly like dancing? You are picking a small population of males and generlizing to all of them. Most males have no interest in dancing. Nothing wrong if you do, but most don't.

> You are picking a small population of males and generlizing to all of them. Ironically enough, that is what you are doing. There's a whole wide world (both historically and right now) of men/masculine culture beyond the weird bland repression certain parts of the West currently have going on. Even in the Western world, I don't know how one would go about telling e.g. Black American men that they have no interest in…

Breakdance.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Post by unionpivo »

OneGuy123 wrote: post #34
watwut wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Men in general don't like to perform to music, or see no need for it, as you say "biologicaly". Women on the other hand like it, "biologicaly" as you say. Yeah, that is why male dancers and male dancing is non-existend worldwide. Or otherwise said, can you prove it is "biological" rather then cultural?

How many males do you know how genuienly like dancing? You are picking a small population of males and generlizing to all of them. Most males have no interest in dancing. Nothing wrong if you do, but most don't.

Most of them, that i know?

This is more cultural/social than sex/biological based.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Post by colanderman »

helge9210 wrote: post #27
hevelvarik wrote: post #11

Wow, where are the parents? I mean bad parents here and there I expect, but enough to fuel an international industry is a surprise...

When my daughter came to me in tears and complained coach is yelling at her, I explained this is a good thing. This means coach is looking at her and is trying to correct her mistakes.

A coach can correct mistakes without yelling.

"He's yelling at me because he cares" is the same internal logic that keeps many women in abusive romantic relationships.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Post by mensetmanusman »

mcv wrote: post #24

One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody stren…

It is sexist to have a male and female version of the sport. Are you implying sexism in this context is wrong?

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Post by nix23 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #46
mcv wrote: post #24

One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody stren…

It is sexist to have a male and female version of the sport. Are you implying sexism in this context is wrong?

Read the comment again pls.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Post by helge9210 »

colanderman wrote: post #44
helge9210 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When my daughter came to me in tears and complained coach is yelling at her, I explained this is a good thing. This means coach is looking at her and is trying to correct her mistakes.

A coach can correct mistakes without yelling. "He's yelling at me because he cares" is the same internal logic that keeps many women in abusive romantic relationships.

> A coach can correct mistakes without yelling.

Are you a professional coach or just think it would work this way?

The athletes we are discussing are already selected as fit for the specific sport. All of them are very tolerant to stress from the training and competition. Unless stress of not doing exercise (correctly) is higher than stress from doing it (correctly) there won't be progress.

What for an outsider looks like abuse, for athletes is within tolerable limits.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Post by lucozade »

helge9210 wrote: post #48
colanderman wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A coach can correct mistakes without yelling. "He's yelling at me because he cares" is the same internal logic that keeps many women in abusive romantic relationships.

> A coach can correct mistakes without yelling. Are you a professional coach or just think it would work this way? The athletes we are discussing are already selected as fit for the specific sport. All of them are very tolerant to stress from the training and competition. Unless stress of not doing exercise (correctly) is higher than stress from doing it (correctly) there won't be progress. What for an outsider looks…

Not the parent nor a professional coach but you wrote: "my daughter came to me in tears and complained coach is yelling at her".

That doesn't sound like being selected for stress tolerance. That sounds a lot more like stress tolerance is being mentally beaten into them.

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