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What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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My understanding was that written Chinese has a great deal of phonetic information (even though it is not exclusively phonetic like the alphabet or Japanese Hiragana/Katakana). I had understood that many ideograms essentially could be interpreted as topic + pronunciation: e.g. 驰 could be interpreted as "the word about 马 horses read as 也 chí".

At least one of the Chinese languages is tonal too, so the same sequence of vowel and consonant sounds can have totally different meanings when spoken at different pitches. (The humorous example is “grass mud horse,” which is a bit NSFW and a great act of someone thumbing their nose at censorship.) I wonder if native speakers have a greater emphasis on subvocalized pitch, or if that’s even a part of subvocalizing? Pa…

English is my first language, but I find that when I read in Mandarin, I can focus on intonations, personality, etc or leave it out as sort of monotone.

The intonations that give the characters their meaning are so engrained in the flow of the sentences it can feel monotone, as it is just the way it is said.

If I am reading a poem or idioms I usually like to over emphasize the tone like a classic theatrical reading because it’s fun and helps me remember what I read.

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Now try to imagine instead of English, it's Russian? Switching from Polish to Russian. Will it be the same?

I know a little bit of Russian so a random word or two sometimes sneak into my speech or thinking process. I imagine if I were fluent in Russian, I'd switch back and forth just as well. They're more similar to each other than Polish and English, but not that similar as to be bucketed as one language. I've been thinking about this phenomenon a lot in the past and I've noticed that two main triggers are a) emotional pa…

Not sure what are the sentiments in Poland, but in a couple of ex-USSR countries mixing Russian and the local language is regarded as a very bad taste. This applies exclusively to Russian.

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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This study assumes that everybody hear the sounds of words while thinking, and that's not the case. Many people (although I don't know the statistics) do not have this "inner speech".

The observable result "the subject reports a lack of inner speech" can correspond to "the subject lacks inner speech" or "the subject isn't aware of inner speech" or "the subject have a motivation to not report having inner speech" or "the subject can't report having inner speech" or "the subject doesn't recognize his/her subjective experiences as inner speech". And maybe more.

I get that you are in disbelief, but this is actually a thing.

Numerous testimonies are unambiguous, such as this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u69YSh-cFXY

Like, the interviewee is able to read extremely fast ("superhuman", according to the interviewer), as a consequence to the absence of inner speech.

This kind of details eliminate the possibility of the uncertainties you suggested.

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Haha. Minä gör the same a menudo. Yo teen det samma often. I hago the same ofta. Jag do lo mismo usein. (FI/SV/EN/ES) :)

Belta loda! You sound like your speaking the Belter slang from the scifi series The Expanse. Set a few hundred yrs into the future, slang used by the working class out mining the asteroid belts.

She she taki taki beltawala. Mi finyish vedi da lang belta da diye de.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCyGIJl1XUA

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Haha. Minä gör the same a menudo. Yo teen det samma often. I hago the same ofta. Jag do lo mismo usein. (FI/SV/EN/ES) :)

Y’all, stop. You’re confusing the hell out of GPT-4.

Mi na du wanya wa robot fo du wating mi enjoy
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