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Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

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Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

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Half the classes they make you take at universities are worthless anyways. They're just there to keep you 4 years and get more money. A CS major doesn't need to learn about Greek Mythology.

Universities are not intended to be vocational schools or trade schools. That's why electives are required to graduate. That's why CS programs teach theory more than practice. It's always worth being a well-rounded person. The most successful software engineers I know are not the most technically proficient. They are the ones who understand how their customers and their employees and their managers view the world, an…

Ok but in reality you need a degree to get a decent job so they are de facto trade schools whether you realize it or not. Your assumption that electives somehow make someone more 'rounded' is also laughable. That comes from being curious.

Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

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The current offerings are: - Data Analyst - Project Manager - UX Designer - IT Support Specialist I wonder how specific to Google products those courses are. It sounds like Google's answer to Microsoft Certified Microsoft Product Fixer certifications. It's just courses on Coursera for $49/month.

Oh yes, let my project be managed by someone with a 6 mo course. I'm sure that will work just fine

Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

#43

Half the classes they make you take at universities are worthless anyways. They're just there to keep you 4 years and get more money. A CS major doesn't need to learn about Greek Mythology.

It’s hard for me to express how deeply I disagree with this philosophy. I started out in the hard sciences with a MS in biochemistry, so I certainly don’t use any of the direct “skills” I learned in my major-specific courses in my current career as a programmer. Micropipetting, mass spectrometry, and gel electrophoresis have yet to come up in writing software (at least in the jobs I’ve had). What is continuously usef…

> general critical thinking, analytical writing, and empathy.

I wonder if there is a more direct way to aquire those skills.

Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

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I took the IT Support Specialist in early 2019 and it only took 1 week of dedicated video watching and test-taking to do (I did this so that I wouldn't need to pay the Coursera membership fee) (but that was because I already had a strong background in IT support/troubleshooting, software development, cybersecurity, and was intermediate in networking). I feel like the course is solid for explaining the concepts that it talks about, but I can't attest to how well it works for people with very little experience in IT.

Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

#46

College in the USA is an economic plague on young people. This most certainly can't be as bad.

Except that’s completely untrue. College degrees are well worth the investment — the earning potential increases of having a college degree vastly dwarf tuition costs. When people are young, debt is a problem, but those same people continue to see (exponential) income growth over the course of their careers and eventually beat the debt, and then some. Folks without degrees struggle with income growth.

This would be a more persuasive argument if graduates weren't faced with an entire horizon of corporations, that aren't very interested in candidates w/o job experience.

Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

#47

Half the classes they make you take at universities are worthless anyways. They're just there to keep you 4 years and get more money. A CS major doesn't need to learn about Greek Mythology.

It’s hard for me to express how deeply I disagree with this philosophy. I started out in the hard sciences with a MS in biochemistry, so I certainly don’t use any of the direct “skills” I learned in my major-specific courses in my current career as a programmer. Micropipetting, mass spectrometry, and gel electrophoresis have yet to come up in writing software (at least in the jobs I’ve had). What is continuously usef…

I have to disagree with that. I came into college as an engineering student with a strong interest in humanities. I really wanted to get a lot out of some sociology, philosophy, and psychology classes, and signed up for more than required. But the reality of it was, they were complete wastes of time and ended up turning me off of humanities.

For me personally, I'd have been much better off just following some curricula and reading the material on my own, not fussing with memorizing arbitrary details for a test and working on team reports with other disinterested students.

I think there's something to the apprenticeship thing, and would love to see this succeed. Even if it's not for everyone, I think it's good for lots of people. Six months seems a little short, for sure, but maybe 18 would be enough to learn the main algorithms, learn some project management, and push to be a productive team member. And I think working on "real work" is much more motivating than classwork for the average 18 year old, so that's going for it too.

Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

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I don't trust a company like Google to act in its students' and certificate holders' best interests. It's not hard to imagine that the certifications will all be tied back to a Google account that they can terminate at any time, at their discretion. On a more Google-y note, I wouldn't want to get an email in five years telling me that they're sunsetting their online certificate verification portal, meaning no one can…

The certificate is via Coursera, which is entirely separate and only has a 'sign in with Google' option. You don't need a Google account to do it, get your certificate, or link it to your LinkedIn.

Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

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I question the depth of education you can receive from a six-month course set as opposed to a full four-year undergraduate experience. This feels like the same kind of marketing you saw from Flatiron School or one of those other coding bootcamps, but with a larger name attached. Cynically, I'd say that Google is just trying to increase the number of qualified individuals to fill grunt-work positions so they can pay e…

While much of the full four-year undergrad experience is full of other priorities (ex. socialization, networking), there is usually a lot slow learning and almost traumatic adaptation that happens that I'm convinced can't happen on a shorter time frame. Being in a competitive learning environment with colleagues and resources specialized to help learning is hard to replicate. Many of the biggest and most interesting ideas require you to sort of soak your brain in them.

Unrelated to the four year undergrad experience, coding bootcamps and the like that are 3 month and 6 month courses do not work for building deep knowledge for complete beginners -- IIRC their most common usage was for people already in tech to make a change to different specializations. I think the claims that Flatiron School or a bunch of other coding bootcamps sold is basically fraudulent -- it would take over 6 months of high quality practice just to get a handle on HTML, CSS and Javascript, but they throw random new programmers into HTML, CSS, then JS by way of React (and sometimes even rails/backend stuff). Deep, stable knowledge is not built that way.

> Cynically, I'd say that Google is just trying to increase the number of qualified individuals to fill grunt-work positions so they can pay each employee less.

This is exactly what they're trying to do. I guess I could think about it as trying to vertically integrate employee education. This is also what Flatiron School and those other coding bootcamps were trying to do as well IMO, as well as getting at some of the funding that was made available for those efforts.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing though -- while people in those positions might see a drop in salary (or rather a slowing of growth in salary), more people with those kinds of skills is probably a net positive.

Re: Google's Plan to Disrupt the College Degree Is Absolute Genius

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The current offerings are: - Data Analyst - Project Manager - UX Designer - IT Support Specialist I wonder how specific to Google products those courses are. It sounds like Google's answer to Microsoft Certified Microsoft Product Fixer certifications. It's just courses on Coursera for $49/month.

Oh yes, let my project be managed by someone with a 6 mo course. I'm sure that will work just fine

Six months of onboarding is plenty of time to form someone you'd want to keep around.
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