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3D Realms announces Graven, the spiritual successor to Hexen II

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Re: 3D Realms announces Graven, the spiritual successor to Hexen II

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You're in luck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpneMd8xTFw It looks like they went for a cartoon aesthetic similar to Fairly Odd Parents & co.

Not much luck. That's a mobile game and probably cancelled since there hasn't been any news about it for more than a year.

Cancellation seems likely, the "gokeen.com" link from the trailer now points to https://bethesda.net/en/dashboard , with no information about the game.

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I really would like to see a proper successor of Commander Keen. Although I have no idea how it would look like with modern technology. Afaik, 3D Realms has the rights on it, right? https://legacy.3drealms.com/keenhistory/

Isn't Commander Keen just a 2d platformer, something that is abudantly available on most platforms nowadays? Though I've never played it, so I might be missing something

Commander Keen was a fallback game for the smoothing side-scrolling engine that Carmack made and that iD pitched to Nintendo for porting their games onto PCs. Nintendo refused (surprise!), so the engine was use to make Commander Keen instead.

That is, the notable thing about CK was its engine, which as innovative as it aged very quickly. There's still some nostalgic value there I guess but the target audience is probably quite limited.

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Finally! I hope it's a faithful return to the simplicity of no-nonsense hack-&-slash (and of course zap), untainted by "quests" and "missions" etc. Even the Doom revival somewhat fell prey to complexity for the sake of complexity. There's certainly a lot of merit in reviving old ideas for a new era, even if none of the original fans were alive to bank on the nostalgia alone.

Doom eternal is awesome ... I would say the doom revival couldn’t be any better.

Yes, not saying Doom isn't awesome, just that it would be nice to have games where you just fight without worrying about any distractions.

e.g. instead of hunting for keys or cards or levers, or trying to spot secret entrances, they could replace that "artificial" complexity with improved monster AI: Learning enemy patterns and having the enemy learn ours in turn, using a destructible environment to dodge or assist attacks, and figuring out how to deceive their virtual senses (like throwing an object to distract them) and so on.

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Yes, because belittling minorities and other groups that have historically had their rights systematically violated, by the people now making jokes at their expense is 100% ok. It’s not hypersensitive for someone to say “stop making jokes out of our existence”, especially when those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing. Jokes that punch down should be judged accordingly

> “stop making jokes out of our existence” what defines your existence? > those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing routinely? In America?

Yes, in America

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Yes, because belittling minorities and other groups that have historically had their rights systematically violated, by the people now making jokes at their expense is 100% ok. It’s not hypersensitive for someone to say “stop making jokes out of our existence”, especially when those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing. Jokes that punch down should be judged accordingly

How do you fairly determine the punching direction? Also, are you being sarcastic with these tired, stereotypical phrases?

You look at which group has more power.

This is not hard. You can’t be fired for being straight, in multiple states you can be fired for being anything other than straight or cisgendered.

People aren’t physically or verbally assaulted for being Christian, they are for being Muslim (in America, other countries the reverse can easily be true).

There aren’t elected officials campaigning on a platform of banning Christians, or deporting illegal Europeans.

A common refrain isn’t that Christians control Hollywood and banks.

No president other than Obama was ever subjected to continuous claims that they weren’t born in America.

These all show you who has power to set the baseline for what is and what is not ok.

This isn’t a hard concept, unless you’re deliberately choosing to dismiss every group other than yourself.

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How do you fairly determine the punching direction? Also, are you being sarcastic with these tired, stereotypical phrases?

You look at which group has more power. This is not hard. You can’t be fired for being straight, in multiple states you can be fired for being anything other than straight or cisgendered. People aren’t physically or verbally assaulted for being Christian, they are for being Muslim (in America, other countries the reverse can easily be true). There aren’t elected officials campaigning on a platform of banning Christia…

And yet, if you tweet the words 'it's okay to be $ethnic_group', the only value of $ethnic_group that gets your career ended is 'white'.

And yet, if you tweet 'I support $candidate for president', the only value of $candidate that ends your career is 'Trump'.

And yet, conservatives and Christians are openly and viciously discriminated against in tech and media. Which is why they are essentially nonexistent. Nonexistent! You can't find them! In the closet, like gays in 1975. Palmer Luckey got chased out of our tech industry because they found out he liked Trump, he didn't even argue publicly. Damore was ruined for a good-faith pro-diversity memo.

And yet, men are 1:2 discriminated against compared to women in STEM tenure track positions [0].

And yet, BLM rioters can spend weeks burning and looting a city and the media and courts will soft-pedal them the whole way, but if a dozen white guys get together they're instantly called racist and subjected to maximum legal penalties.

And yet, the 'common refrain' which you are repeating in your post is that white people, men, Christians, etc have all the power, control all the money and banks and media, etc etc.

Your notion of who has 'power' is totally wrong. There aren't two groups here, there are three. The left has power. The right does not. The under-group are the marginal minorities who the left uses to justify their power and discrimination.

[0] https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360

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> “stop making jokes out of our existence” what defines your existence? > those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing routinely? In America?

Yes, in America

What evidence is there? Are you including stuff like the Orlando shooting in that?

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-theres-no-ev...

Re: 3D Realms announces Graven, the spiritual successor to Hexen II

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It's interesting that 3D Realms, a company that was crushed by Duke Nukem Forever chasing the latest/greatest engines and gameplay trends, it making a big comeback with shooters with a focus on solid art style and "classic" gameplay over graphics and gimmicks. Ion Fury was great and Wrath: Aeon of Ruin and Graven both seem to be on track to be great as well.

3D realms didn’t develop those games tho, looks like the best decision they made is to go back and just be a publisher rather than a developer.

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You look at which group has more power. This is not hard. You can’t be fired for being straight, in multiple states you can be fired for being anything other than straight or cisgendered. People aren’t physically or verbally assaulted for being Christian, they are for being Muslim (in America, other countries the reverse can easily be true). There aren’t elected officials campaigning on a platform of banning Christia…

And yet, if you tweet the words 'it's okay to be $ethnic_group', the only value of $ethnic_group that gets your career ended is 'white'. And yet, if you tweet 'I support $candidate for president', the only value of $candidate that ends your career is 'Trump'. And yet, conservatives and Christians are openly and viciously discriminated against in tech and media. Which is why they are essentially nonexistent. Nonexiste…

The problem with “white” is that “white pride”, “white power” were coopted by racist and terrorist groups decades ago.

The other problem - much like all lives matter - is that no one has ever been told to be ashamed of being white, legislation hasn’t been written specifically to imprison white people, white people haven’t been systematically disenfranchised, etc.

As for only getting fired if you say you support trump? Really? If that were the case he wouldn’t have a real chance of reelection, but he does because a sizable amount of the country supports him. I suspect being pro-Biden or pro-Obama would easily get you fired in many predominantly Republican states.

Finally, the “left” has no more power than the “right”, the difference is that you clearly believe that equal rights for minorities is inherently discriminating against you. Which is a classic response.

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And yet, if you tweet the words 'it's okay to be $ethnic_group', the only value of $ethnic_group that gets your career ended is 'white'. And yet, if you tweet 'I support $candidate for president', the only value of $candidate that ends your career is 'Trump'. And yet, conservatives and Christians are openly and viciously discriminated against in tech and media. Which is why they are essentially nonexistent. Nonexiste…

The problem with “white” is that “white pride”, “white power” were coopted by racist and terrorist groups decades ago. The other problem - much like all lives matter - is that no one has ever been told to be ashamed of being white, legislation hasn’t been written specifically to imprison white people, white people haven’t been systematically disenfranchised, etc. As for only getting fired if you say you support trump…

>The problem with “white” is that “white pride”, “white power” were coopted by racist and terrorist groups decades ago.

As were "black pride" and "black power", but people are still allowed to say those things because those terrorist groups, despite killing many people, are seen by the elite white media as allies. They present one group as fundamentally evil. They present the other group either not at all, or as over-excited unimportant fringes of a righteous cause. See the BLM killers of Aaron Danielson and Jessica Doty, and note how you never heard of them. Or the Scalise shooting, or a million other things you've never heard of in your NYT bubble.

>no one has ever been told to be ashamed of being white

An utterly absurd statement in a world where elite spheres are saturated with "all whites are racist" style rhetoric. I'm literally told to be ashamed of being white on a daily basis. White guilt is the core of modern social justice - it's single consistent organizing principle. Read White Fragility or anything about anti-colonialism. Go find the videos of white activists washing the feet of black people and kissing their boots and bowing down on their knees in mass shame for their race.

>As for only getting fired if you say you support trump? Really? If that were the case he wouldn’t have a real chance of reelection

Yes he would, because the ballot is secret. People support him secretly. If the ballot was open he'd have no chance.

>you clearly believe that equal rights for minorities is inherently discriminating against you. Which is a classic response.

No, I believe that lower rights for me is discriminating against me. Which it is. Nobody ever argued against equal human rights except the social justice movement, which instead argues for equal group outcomes.

Right now the social justice movement is working to repeal the California law that prohibits discrimination. They, and you, are trying to expand discrimination. I am trying to reduce it.

https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_16,_Repeal_Pr...

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