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Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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The rest of the world needs to wake up and realize that China is not messing around. There will be a long list of Hong Kong’s if we continue to look the other way to authoritarian regimes.

In the last decade : - Russia annexed Crimea; - Turkey took control of most of the Syrian land across its borders; - Israel continuously colonised bits of Palestinian land; - China is now taking political control of Hong Kong; - UAE forces tool over the Socotra Islands; The West's reactions so far have been ranging from ineffectual economic sanctions to completely ignoring it. I would expect similar "annexations" by…

Because none of those annexations haven't affected "core" territories of the west or their "core" population. The west definitely did not ignore 9/11.

Some people are more "western" than others. More specifically, the ones that can vote to mobilize the "western" military. Spill their blood and get demolished. Spill the blood of their worshipers and suddenly their own blood is too valuable to waste.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Love how when the same restrictions are imposed in the USA, everyone starts talking about "doing the right thing"

Agreed. Always funny to see how the same people who support HK protesters vilify BLM/Antifa who are protesting our gradual slide into an authoritarian police state.

Lots of HK protesters demand nothing less than defunding the police, radical democracy and autonomy from the higher ups in Beijing. If anyone of the protesters in Portland demanded the same, this whole conversation would be different on HN.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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The rest of the world needs to wake up and realize that China is not messing around. There will be a long list of Hong Kong’s if we continue to look the other way to authoritarian regimes.

In the last decade : - Russia annexed Crimea; - Turkey took control of most of the Syrian land across its borders; - Israel continuously colonised bits of Palestinian land; - China is now taking political control of Hong Kong; - UAE forces tool over the Socotra Islands; The West's reactions so far have been ranging from ineffectual economic sanctions to completely ignoring it. I would expect similar "annexations" by…

You are completely right.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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why?

Whataboutism is a distraction. This article is about the issues in Hong Kong, "what about similar things happening in country x,y or z" is an attempt to derail this important conversation.

No it's not. It's a valid comparison of a global trend that national governments all over the world have been claiming more and more power than they actually need.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the broad population decides you’re done; you’re done. Doesn’t matter what wealth or power you think you’ve got.

Have you ever seen congressional approval ratings? This is not true.

>Have you ever seen congressional approval ratings?

I have, have you? General approval ratings for Senators and Representatives tend to be extremely high, and in turn the reelection rate of incumbents is quite high as well. Or did you mean "approval of Congress as a whole"? If you did that's silly because people do not vote for Congress as a whole, people vote for their own representatives within that body. Since the population is not perfectly uniform in its beliefs or priorities, that means inevitably even the most perfect hard working representatives will certainly not get their way all the time, and will probably flat out lose fights sometimes, which means that the body as a whole will be making one group or another mad almost all of the time. That's the reality of organizing a diverse group of people though towards goals too big for them to handle individually. It would make no difference for any system of governance whatsoever short of some sort of compulsive mind control, the population will be angry about decisions some of the time.

If you were going to object to GP, a better (scarier) counter point would be that as technological advancement has ever more eclipsed individual human power, it's not at all guaranteed that at some point a totalitarian regime couldn't emerge backed (and/or run) by sufficient tech to be internally long term stable even against the wishes of the majority population. Or for another side, that could simply do away with said majority of the population.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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The rest of the world needs to wake up and realize that China is not messing around. There will be a long list of Hong Kong’s if we continue to look the other way to authoritarian regimes.

This probably implies violence/war. Not many want violence these days.

War doesn't care what you want. It's already starting. For example, look at the China/India conflict

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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What has happened to Hong Kong is a strong canary-in-the-coal-mine indicator for other Chinese territorial disputes [i]. With Hong Kong it was somewhat inevitable but I can't help but imagine how different it would be if the US and EU/Britain (as leads) would have strongly denounced their approach. I suspect in a decade from now the West will be lamenting how Hong Kong was the right opportunity to stifle China's ambi…

playing the devil's advocate

The article prefaces by saying this

"One way to cement a claim to a disputed territory — and to anger others who think it belongs to them — is to build on it."

Then goes onto describe the disputes almost being exclusive between China and the US Navy, and further reinforces that point by saying,

"The U.S., the longtime guarantor of freedom of navigation in Asia’s waters..."

I'm sorry, but isn't it sort of ironic that Bloomberg accuses of territorial disputes mainly with China as being the aggressor, when most of their maritime incidents are almost exclusively against the US Navy?

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This probably implies violence/war. Not many want violence these days.

War doesn't care what you want. It's already starting. For example, look at the China/India conflict

That's a slap fight over bits of ice and rock compared to a real WW2/WW3 style war.
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