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Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by Traster »

bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

The US political system is structured in such a way that it's very difficult to draft legislation and get it passed. You have to get a bill to pass a majority in the house, then (generally) get 60% in the senate, then get past the president's veto, and then implementation of that legislation will fall to a governmental organisation ultimately run by a political appointee who is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. That organisation then needs to fight out any judgements they make in federal court and are ultimately decided by judges who are appointed by current and previous presidents.

Right, so, lots of stakeholders, very difficult to please. Add to that the fact that the house is elected every 2 years (so 50% of the time it's election year), so is the senate (although only 1/3rd of the seats, so it's impossible to swing the senate quickly), and the president every 4 years. And since the incumbent president's party always suffers in mid-term elections, and since the senate can't swing quickly, a single party has only had complete control of government for 14 years out of the last 50 years.

So basically, the President generally gets 2 years after being elected during which they might have the actual power to draft, and pass legislation. Most of which gets spent on 1 single piece of legislation - for Obama is was Healthcare, for Trump is was repealing Healthcare (failed in the Senate) and Tax cuts.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by disgu »

fvv wrote: post #24

Chinese administration ban or ostracize large portion of us software , imo us and eu must do the same 'til minimum information freedom for free people ( no China firewall,information circulation ban ) is allowed there too

So you're in favor of the EU forcing Tesla, Facebook, Microsoft to sell their European business to European companies then because those American companies are clearly not up to European privacy standards?

We literally know for a fact that American companies do all the things the Trump administration is accusing TikTok of doing. We've known this since the Snowden revelations.

It's also a 100% different scenario because European and American companies actively decide to not operate in China. If they want to they have to comply with the local laws. Just like European companies in the US or US companies in Europe have to. The fact that the big tech companies are not there is the result of a decision by the companies.

All companies operating in the US have to follow US law. The fact that the government can just say "You can't operate anymore" without giving any evidence of what they're accusing you of is problematic.

Authoritarian regimes are not authoritarian because they don't have laws. They are because they have laws that cover all kinds of bullshit and if you look at the countries that are most authoritarian (Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea), you'll see that they argue "national security" all the time.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by AmericanChopper »

m-p-3 wrote: post #16
bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

I guess they're trying with threatening one app in particular and see if the other will backtrack in fear, and putting a new law into place most likely takes time and they wanted to move fast.

Economic sanctions are a long established executive power. No need for new laws behind a move like this.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by koolba »

bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

It’s more cost effective to make an arbitrary example of one player.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by cblconfederate »

StreamBright wrote: post #37
badRNG wrote: post #28

Regardless of what you think about TikTok, the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented. The jump from banning Huawei from building critical public infrastructure to banning an app that hasn't even conclusively been proven to behave in any uniquely dangerous ways seems to be an intense, unjustified escalation of this conflict. [1] You may disagree with me on the strict securit…

>> the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented. In the USA. China has done is many times.

It looks like we should be expecting China to export more of its policies to the US ?

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by disgu »

rvz wrote: post #30
auggierose wrote: post #3

Well, try suing the administration in China ...

There you go. While they're at it, try critiquing the CCP on TikTok. Watch it get removed instantaneously. In the US, at least you can sue the administration and criticize them over their actions. The CCP on the other hand...

> There you go. While they're at it, try critiquing the CCP on TikTok. Watch it get removed instantaneously.

It doesn't get removed. Neither does LGBT content or Hong Kong protest content for that matter. Just because people repeat it again and again doesn't make it true and it takes literally three seconds to check if it's true or not.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by ackbar03 »

Traster wrote: post #41
bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

The US political system is structured in such a way that it's very difficult to draft legislation and get it passed. You have to get a bill to pass a majority in the house, then (generally) get 60% in the senate, then get past the president's veto, and then implementation of that legislation will fall to a governmental organisation ultimately run by a political appointee who is appointed by the President and confirme…

I didn't know the details of this before lol. That sounds like a nightmare it's a wonder anything gets done...

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by badRNG »

StreamBright wrote: post #37
badRNG wrote: post #28

Regardless of what you think about TikTok, the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented. The jump from banning Huawei from building critical public infrastructure to banning an app that hasn't even conclusively been proven to behave in any uniquely dangerous ways seems to be an intense, unjustified escalation of this conflict. [1] You may disagree with me on the strict securit…

>> the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented. In the USA. China has done is many times.

Yes, and the concerns about 1st Amendment precedence weren't referring to China either.

I imagine China disallows end-to-end encrypted messaging apps as well, which is largely the basis of my concern.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by ThomPete »

simion314 wrote: post #12
bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing. If "brainwashing" on social media exists then all should be made illegal not only the a small subset.

Thats not really why they are worried about TikTok, it comes back to the issue of the CCP and and that China defacto owns TikTok which means that information can be harvested. This is G5 controversy all over. The brainwashing part is just noise. The real concern is real given Chinas history.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by threeseed »

badRNG wrote: post #28

Regardless of what you think about TikTok, the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented. The jump from banning Huawei from building critical public infrastructure to banning an app that hasn't even conclusively been proven to behave in any uniquely dangerous ways seems to be an intense, unjustified escalation of this conflict. [1] You may disagree with me on the strict securit…

> banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented

No it's not. China has banned most Western apps in the interests of national security.

And that article you listed on analysing TikTok is hilariously incompetent. Didn't think to investigate multiplexing data with the video stream ?

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