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Re: Shippos USPS Time in Transit Data

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Post by techdevangelist »

techdevangelist wrote: post #39
chrisBob wrote: post #30

One thing this doesn't account for is fraudulent delivery reports. In my area a large percentage of my USPS deliveries are reported as delivered around 6pm on the scheduled delivery day, but I can't find the package anywhere. Then it suddenly turns up the next day. People on NextDoor also report seeing this regularly.

I’ve consistently seems this exact behavior on every package delivered by usps lately. It shows up typically the next day but twice it took multiple days to find its way to my mailbox.

And I saw someone else’s note about it being redlivered by an individual; we use locked boxes here that the mail carrier has a master key to the back, they are the only one getting in easily.

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Post by chrisBob »

dboreham wrote: post #38
cooljacob204 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USPS said they delivered my package on Sunday, but it magically showed up Wednesday.

Fwiw on several occasions I've had packages delivered to the wrong address (e.g. 200 East Main not 200 West Main) that were obviously "redelivered" by whoever lives at that address. This could explain your findings perhaps?

I live in a rural area (this time of year I can only see one other house from my house), and I have had a few delivery people complain that they couldn't find my house when looking for it on East Joy Rd instead of West Joy, but the fact that my address doesn't exist on the other side helps. I also know most of my neighbors and I am pretty sure none of them are walking the packages over.

It is possible that this is what is happening, but I don't think it is likely.

Re: Shippos USPS Time in Transit Data

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Post by chrisBob »

Scipio_Afri wrote: post #40
cooljacob204 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USPS said they delivered my package on Sunday, but it magically showed up Wednesday.

Personally I experience this way more with Fedex - literally its nearly every time. I haven't had this happen except for a couple of times with USPS over the last 2-3 years (been in the same apartment for about that long).

I had that happen with UPS at my last address: One of my relatives put the wrong address on a box, and then UPS decided to deliver the next 5 boxes to that same wrong address. At least it was consistent and I knew where to look.

Re: Shippos USPS Time in Transit Data

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Post by tony_cannistra »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #4

TL;DR: DeJoy's changes appear to have made USPS slightly slower (0.1-0.5 days) in some places, but much less than the delta caused by a holiday like July 4th (see note buried at the very end).

I'm not sure how this article suggests that DeJoy's changes have anything to do with USPS speeds. It does, however, show delays increasing.

Where are you getting this causation from?

Re: Shippos USPS Time in Transit Data

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Post by TMWNN »

jayelbe wrote: post #36
TMWNN wrote: post #9

This analysis only covers USPS package delivery, which is different from flats. Ballots are flats. Magazines are flats. Letters are flats. Anything non-bendable isn't. This is what has been happening to USPS, folks: 1. Because of COVID19, flats volume has collapsed, while package volume has skyrocketed. Flats sorting machines can do absolutely nothing for packages for reasons that are left up to the reader, so USPS h…

Letters and ballots are not flats. Flats are magazines, catalogues and larger mail pieces. USPS has three categories of mail: letters, flats (flat items too large to be considered letters), and packages. https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/101.htm If you can't even get beyond two sentences without a factual inaccuracy, it does cast some doubt on whether anything else you wrote was accurate.

I admit to being inexact, but my larger point remains: Shippo's analysis (and most of the anecdotal reports about "slow mail") is regarding "parcels". (If you're going to be sneeringly pedantic, the USPS term is "parcels" and not, as you claim, "packages"; the word appears in USPS descriptions of levels of service, like "flat rate package" and "first class package", but is not a category like "letters", "flats", and "parcels").

To put another way, "flats" are larger "letters" and can be processed in similar ways, because both are bendable, and thus machine-sortable in a way that "parcels" are not. This is also why letters, regardless of height/weight, that exceed a certain thickness automatically become parcels, because they are no longer bendable.

Re: Shippos USPS Time in Transit Data

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

jksmith wrote: post #32
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But should the USPS be a public institution? Many countries have opted to privatize their postal services, admittedly with varying results, but with quite a few successes as well: you may have heard the package division of what was once Deutsche Bundespost, now known worldwide as DHL. I do agree that right now is not a great time for radical changes though!

https://www.ups.com/media/en/terms_service_gnd_pr.pdf https://www.uspis.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/USPIS-FAQs.... TLDR is, USPS needs a warrant to open first class mail. Private carriers may be able to open with impunity. Who do you want handling your mail-in ballot?

Tampering with ballots will still be illegal, even if the company is private.

That's also a bit of weird argument, since we're right now seeing how the USPS can easily be bent by political pressure precisely because it is a govt institution and presidents already get to appoint their cronies to run it.

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Post by IncRnd »

dboreham wrote: post #37
chrisBob wrote: post #30

One thing this doesn't account for is fraudulent delivery reports. In my area a large percentage of my USPS deliveries are reported as delivered around 6pm on the scheduled delivery day, but I can't find the package anywhere. Then it suddenly turns up the next day. People on NextDoor also report seeing this regularly.

Hmm interesting. I had a package I mailed to a relative stolen off their porch and subsequently did a moderately deep dive with USPS staff to try to identify the thief. Those folks told me that there is GPS on the delivery vehicle/handheld scanner such that they have the time and location of the delivery event, and the location of the vehicle at the time. That story seems inconsistent with yours.

I get about 2-5 packages a day delivered to my home, and USPS regularly exhibits this behaviour. The delivery tracker states a package is delivered, though the package doesn't appear until hours or even a day later.

Re: Shippos USPS Time in Transit Data

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Post by TMWNN »

AaronFriel wrote: post #17
TMWNN wrote: post #9

This analysis only covers USPS package delivery, which is different from flats. Ballots are flats. Magazines are flats. Letters are flats. Anything non-bendable isn't. This is what has been happening to USPS, folks: 1. Because of COVID19, flats volume has collapsed, while package volume has skyrocketed. Flats sorting machines can do absolutely nothing for packages for reasons that are left up to the reader, so USPS h…

The DMV loses money. The FDA loses money. The FCC loses money. These are public institutions, not for profit enterprises. They're funded partially by fees and usually largely by congressional appropriations. You beg the question by beginning by comparing the USPS to other carriers. It's one of the few public institutions required by the constitution! Even the Defense Department doesn't get that privilege, and it lose…

>You beg the question by beginning by comparing the USPS to other carriers.

I at no point made a comparison between the USPS and any other carrier.

>It's one of the few public institutions required by the constitution!

No. Article I merely authorizes the federal government to establish post offices.

>Even the Defense Department doesn't get that privilege

On the contrary, the same Article I repeatedly discusses the federal government's warmaking powers on land and sea.

>and it loses hundreds of billions a year and doesn't have the same requirement to fund pensions for employees who haven't been born yet.

How do you define "losing money" for the Department of Defense? Obviously it is not a money-making enterprise. That is, there is no way to measure its success or failure on a financial basis. Such a thing is possible with the USPS.

I didn't say that the USPS has to make money. But it is possible to measure its financial performance in a way that isn't possible with most other government agencies, including DoD.

>Lastly, delaying flats and prioritizing packages during a situation when many, perhaps most people will vote by mail due to a public health crisis is if not malicious, dangerously ignorant of the societal implications.

Nice speech; too bad I said nothing of the sort. As I said, there is a lot of slack in non-package processing capability because of the massive COVID19-related decline in non-package volume. The USPS trying to rearrange logistics and personnel accordingly, while avoiding overtime because of the money-losing issue, is what caused the nonsense the past few weeks (which, thankfully, seems to be dying down as people look into the issue and realize said nonsense).

Re: Shippos USPS Time in Transit Data

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Post by joncrane »

dboreham wrote: post #37
chrisBob wrote: post #30

One thing this doesn't account for is fraudulent delivery reports. In my area a large percentage of my USPS deliveries are reported as delivered around 6pm on the scheduled delivery day, but I can't find the package anywhere. Then it suddenly turns up the next day. People on NextDoor also report seeing this regularly.

Hmm interesting. I had a package I mailed to a relative stolen off their porch and subsequently did a moderately deep dive with USPS staff to try to identify the thief. Those folks told me that there is GPS on the delivery vehicle/handheld scanner such that they have the time and location of the delivery event, and the location of the vehicle at the time. That story seems inconsistent with yours.

Is it really inconsistent? The technology is there to investigate if someone raises a stink, but if no complaint is made, no one investigates/correlates delivery reporting vs the data you mention.

I honestly believe many delivery drivers (not just USPS, but Amazon, UPS, FedEx, etc) are brazen because they get away with it 99% of the time.

Re: Shippos USPS Time in Transit Data

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Post by mindslight »

Shivetya wrote: post #34
WrathOfJay wrote: post #2

Thank you for putting this together. Independent data sources are vital, since we know this administration does everything they can to hide reality.

The real fact is you are being played in an election year game by the Postal Union whose declared who they are backing unequivocally. Go chat up a CCA, I have two I know and one lives in my neighborhood but it close to quitting now. They are basically the equivalent of those food delivery service drivers but without the freedom to choose when they work. As in, they get shat upon by a small but not insignificant numbe…

I'm sympathetic to the idea that mainstream media is a giant propaganda machine, and that the parties they focus blame on aren't necessarily the ones pulling the strings.

But how does your theory explain the sorting machines being scrapped, and more specifically DeJoy's order to not reconnect machines without his direct approval? Surely if he were an above board postmaster merely trying to reign in the union, caring about low level equipment decomissioning would be less of a priority?

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