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What Is the Small Web?

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Re: What Is the Small Web?

#41

In the era of 5G, massive storage and incredibly powerful CPUs, we really should be exploring the home server space, as it has scope for huge improvements in terms of enabling non-technical people to own their data and operate 'servers'. This would actually realise the dream of a distributed network of full-fledged peers and also put tremendous power in the hands of ordinary people.

You're assuming that ISPs are okay with you hosting a public service using their infrastructure, which they're historically very much opposed to (in order to get you to pay for a more expensive "business" account).

I never had issues running public http servers on residential isp connections. It's fine unless you get massive traffic.

Re: What Is the Small Web?

#42
It's not clear what this "Small Web" gives users instead of simply running a WordPress installation on a VPS or a shared hosting plan. In fact, the "Small Web" command line installation instructions on the accompanying site.js website are considerably more complicated that the easy one-click installation process widely available for WordPress. This suggests the "Small Web" will appeal only to technically savvy users rather than appeal to a wider audience.

WordPress, regardless of whether you like it or not, gives you an easy GUI for editing your website and a wide choice of plug-ins and themes. The "Small Web" with it's accompanying site.js website ("small web construction set") is more complicated and appears to offer less but dressed up in language to make it sound new and unique.

Re: What Is the Small Web?

#44

In the era of 5G, massive storage and incredibly powerful CPUs, we really should be exploring the home server space, as it has scope for huge improvements in terms of enabling non-technical people to own their data and operate 'servers'. This would actually realise the dream of a distributed network of full-fledged peers and also put tremendous power in the hands of ordinary people.

I am not sure non-technical people have any desire to "operate 'servers'". Not sure about their desire to own data, either…

Re: What Is the Small Web?

#45
post #18

I'm generally on board with the sentiment, but some of this rhetoric is a bit much, even for me. > The Big Web has “users” – a term Silicon Valley has borrowed from drug dealers to describe the people they addict to their services and exploit. Come on now, "user" as in "computer user" was a term in use since long before the web.

> Come on now, "user" as in "computer user" was a term in use since long before the web.

The "computer user" term was true back then, but I am on board with Aral's definition. But now in today's world, those "computer users" are:

+ Addicted to social media whilst those companies control information and spread fake news.

+ Continuously pay for products like Netflix, YouTube and Amazon whilst those companies continue to 'recommend' you stuff you don't need.

+ Having companies spying on them and implementing dark UX patterns by A/B testing; all for sake of keeping you 'hooked' onto their products.

This type of behaviour can only be summed up as treating and addicting customers like drug users.

Aral's comparison is apt.

Re: What Is the Small Web?

#46
Jeez, either they are high, or I am! What an unsubstantiated load claims.

> You hear a lot of talk about blockchains and proof of work but this is not what the Small Web is about. Having a billion copies of the same database is not decentralisation. That’s centralisation. If you have a billion people having [...] unique databases is decentralisation.

Really? This ignores the hard learned facts that, despite the claim that "on the Small Web, we distrust servers and trust clients", clients in reality can be malicious. Sitting in a circle and singing kumbaya does not prevent from attackers. Best case is, it slows them down, because they have to shake off the laughter first.

> Currently, all our developer tools and technical infrastructure comes from Big Tech and the Big Web.

Well, that is obviously not true! The foundation of the web stems from military and academic origins. The open source movement is strong, Linux is the most used OS for servers. The list goes on.

The list of claims on could debunk is too long for my cup of coffee!

If that's what they refer to as vision, then count me out. I must be miles away from that level of "enlightenment"!

Just to make clear: I am all for people hosting there blogs and webpages themselves. Medium is awful, blogger does not even load with the browser plugins that I use. I am all for distrusting servers, using uBlock Origin, uMatrix, a big hosts file and your brain are good first steps. But I also am all for distrusting the client. What I can't stand is blog posts like these, throwing around half-truths, claims, and unreflected ideology for the purpose of money (they want donations) and publicity (they want donations). \s

Re: What Is the Small Web?

#47

This is the same guy who ran that complete shambles of a vapourware project a few years back to build a smartphone right? This sounds exactly the same in that it's some vanity project under the guise of being indie or privacy focused but all he's really looking for is some more cash. I'd probably continue to steer well clear.

C'mon, Aral Balkan is well known expert and activist, he's not just "some guy". He's been in and around web-standards development for decades, involved in W3C standards' groups, and very vocal pushing for better accessibility, privacy, worker and human rights in IT, etc. You can accuse him of being a lot of things (overzealous for one), but I don't think he's ever been "just for some more cash" type of person.

Re: What Is the Small Web?

#48
post #46

Jeez, either they are high, or I am! What an unsubstantiated load claims. > You hear a lot of talk about blockchains and proof of work but this is not what the Small Web is about. Having a billion copies of the same database is not decentralisation. That’s centralisation. If you have a billion people having [...] unique databases is decentralisation. Really? This ignores the hard learned facts that, despite the claim…

> Currently, all our developer tools and technical infrastructure comes from Big Tech and the Big Web.

> Well, that is obviously not true!

While I don't agree with the absolutist all, he's talking about the majority:

+ Tensorflow (Google)

+ Chrome Dev Tools (Google)

+ Pytorch (Facebook)

+ Kubernetes (Google)

+ Flutter (Google)

+ Xcode (Apple)

+ Visual Studio Code (Microsoft)

+ React (Facebook)

+ Angular

+ And so on.

All have room for embedding analytics and spying on it's 'users'.

Re: What Is the Small Web?

#49
post #22

This is the same guy who ran that complete shambles of a vapourware project a few years back to build a smartphone right? This sounds exactly the same in that it's some vanity project under the guise of being indie or privacy focused but all he's really looking for is some more cash. I'd probably continue to steer well clear.

Yes steer well clear of this guy. I can’t remember the details as it was long ago but I distinctly remember him being lambasted by the design/dev community. EDIT: Not to leave HN readers hanging and to back up my comment... He raised $100,000 on Kickstarter back in 2014 to build a "privacy" focused phone. One month later he took the phone off the table due to "lack of resources". Needless to say the phone never mater…

Even Heartbeat was a stunning failure. I had high hopes for this guy but he had a contradictory exception towards accepting Apple and their stance on 'privacy' at the time.

Both him and his wife are all in on this utopian small-web privacy idea and they detest attending conferences with FAANMG sponsorship. However, his wife recently attended a design conference sponsored by Facebook, Twitter and Google. [0]

He'll probably instantly block you if you brought this up or spin the story.

[0] https://www.framer.com/loupe/2019/

Re: What Is the Small Web?

#50
Aral is in this for the long term and I respect his principles. Those accusing him of his past 'failed' endeavours are part of the problem. He is self funding his goals and has been ever since, not taking money from surveillance and vulture capitalists.

He was critical on Mozilla taking money from Google, and calls out privacy conferences taking money from Google, Facebook and Palantir.

Aral is following in the very footsteps of another respected privacy advocate, Richard Stallman.

Please take the time to read (or even donate [0]) to the Small Technology Foundation [1]

[0] https://small-tech.org/fund-us/

[1] https://small-tech.org

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