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If you are recovering from burnout wtf are you reading HN? Take a break already.
Reading HN is fun and interesting.
Taking this break isn't just about not doing anything, but is also about actively seeking new ways to handle my current situation. Had I not been on HN, I wouldn't have found this treasure trove of a document :)
As someone who has just started a 4 week break spurred on by a burnout-induced breakdown at work, this is very timely. I do wonder if it’s reasonable to think that 4 weeks is enough. I’ve struggled with mental health issues for most of my life due to complex developmental trauma during childhood, and in 2020, I’ve found that it’s very difficult to tell the difference between work burnout, residual issues due to my tr…
I have had burnout in the past, and I’m sorry to say 4 weeks is likely not enough. For me it was about 1 year to recover. Sure I could have returned to work after a month or two, because I would no longer have been “exhausted” physically, but going straight back into it would have burnt off that top layer of rest, and still revealed the ruined core within, to truly heal it took a year, then my excitement for programm…
As someone who has just started a 4 week break spurred on by a burnout-induced breakdown at work, this is very timely. I do wonder if it’s reasonable to think that 4 weeks is enough. I’ve struggled with mental health issues for most of my life due to complex developmental trauma during childhood, and in 2020, I’ve found that it’s very difficult to tell the difference between work burnout, residual issues due to my tr…
As someone who has just started a 4 week break spurred on by a burnout-induced breakdown at work, this is very timely. I do wonder if it’s reasonable to think that 4 weeks is enough. I’ve struggled with mental health issues for most of my life due to complex developmental trauma during childhood, and in 2020, I’ve found that it’s very difficult to tell the difference between work burnout, residual issues due to my tr…
Been thinking about leaving, but I can't. I have to pay medical bills for the family. But I'm not qualified for my current job -- I can't be a full time programmer and a part time manager too. All of the lying about progress I can't make is killing me. I've asked to change to a different job, but the CEO told me that I would not be considered for another job in front of the head of HR. By definition, I guess I'm stuck in a dead-end job.
I know I'm in burnout, burnoutindex.org gives me 5.6 out of 6. But there's nothing I can do to improve the situation.
Really relate to this. I shut down my startup in April. On paper, we ran out of money. Behind the scenes, I finally paid the toll/ burnt out after 1-2 years of constant unexpected, unpredictable shocks. As a solo founder with investors, there was no escape, no one to run things while I took time off, and no way to leave without ending the company. At points, if my phone buzzed with a text message, I would go into a p…
I am 8 months into my journey after severe burnout (decided to take n amount of time off till I felt “right” last December).
I am not a founder, but have worked in high caliber roles for the last few years (I am still fairly early in my career). My last job was at a YC company.
I started out thinking it’d be 2 months. Then 4. Then it turned into 6. I panicked a lot in the beginning, I am used to overworking or nothing. It just took time, and things started to fall into place mentally (and even physically).
Now I’ve accepted that at a year, I believe I’ll be ready. I’m happy to report I feel motivation creeping in - and my creative wheels have been turning. It’s really about where to channel things next. It is the most refreshing and rewarding feeling in the world, to see light at the end of the technical-block tunnel.
If I’m completely honest, there are still days when I dread the thought of returning to the screen, even when I don’t want to - but those days are less and less. I’m extremely fortunate to have been able to do this.
Burnouts are like bad breakups - our nerves are likes wounds, and it just takes time to heal them after putting them on overdrive for extended periods of time. The emotional toll is taxing, a high and illogical price to pay when you consider resting like we are designed to do. Just my two cents, good luck!
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Ya I had burnout so bad 2 years ago that it cost me my job. Your comment about burnout spanning multiple causes and contexts resonates with me. I reached a point where everything felt like work (even recreation), and the news on my social media feed in these times just dragged me down further. Just to warn you, 4 weeks will probably not be enough time to climb out of burnout (it took me more like 6 months), but you c…
Just wanted to thank you for sharing details about your personal experience. > So I started noticing every single little step. Not just brushing my teeth, but opening the drawer, getting out the toothbrush, opening the toothpaste, squeezing it out, and so on. Working through a day in my home life became almost insurmountable as I was faced with 10,000 grueling steps. This really resonated with me. The 10,000 grueling…
The first thing I'd recommend doing is writing out everything on your todo list. This is just a flow state thing, I don't care if one of the tasks is "put pants on today" or "make my bed" or "remodel the bathroom". Just get at least a dozen (maybe even 100) tasks written. Stop reading here until you've done it :-)
Now go through and tag them as: Recurring, Soon, Tomorrow, This Week, This Month, This Year. Or whatever timescales you prefer to think about. Also give them a rough estimate like 5, 10, 15 minutes, N hours, etc. You can also rate each task on a scale of 1-5 or 1-10 for how urgent they are to you. It might help to move them to the rows of a spreadsheet or use an app (I used Google spreadsheet).
Now you can sort your tasks by column in various ways, and SUM() the estimates to get an overall idea of how long they will take to complete. You can also begin breaking tasks up into subtasks. As a rule of thumb, each task can be separated into lower timescales. So days to hours, hours to minutes. If that's too nebulous, just mark unknowns as TODO.
It helps to reflect periodically on what you are dwelling on, and work to get it out of your head into the TODO list. If you're thinking about it, write it down. It's ok to let the list build up over a few days. This is your time to recuperate and heal from burnout.
At this point, I used the 3 second rule as motivation to do something. The idea being that the body can't perceive the difference between anxiety and excitement. If something caught my fancy, like I could at least gather the papers on my desk into a box, I just did it immediately. Cross that off the list. Sorting could be postponed till later.
So rather than dwelling on brushing my teeth for 2 hours after my girlfriend went to bed, I brushed them immediately after tucking her in. I basically assumed that I had no working memory, and that I was an automaton following a script.
Checking items off the list helped me move up through levels of abstraction. I kind of went from the seconds timescale, up to minutes, hours, and finally days. I realized I had been so knee-deep in my work over 4 years that I had put off like 1 year of chores around our property. The things that seemed so insurmountable (like brushing my teeth) gradually moved from my conscious mind back to the subconscious. It also helped that my girlfriend kept me on task but understood that it was a process.
You can also add in new recurring tasks that don't take effort, but might have been weighing on you for some reason. Things like: going on a 20 minute walk each day, meditating for 20 minutes a few times each week, remembering to eat every 3 hours, taking your B vitamins, etc etc etc. Control the things you can, so you can work up to things that feel outside your control. I strongly believe that as you get your recurring tasks back into your routine, you'll feel a lot better.
The term for all of this is "executive dysfunction". It's getting really common in young people because we're so saturated with multitasking and interruption that it's shortening our attention spans. And in my case, I was trying to hold these huge problem spaces in my head too for work. So my motivation was completely exhausted day in and day out, and I couldn't even manage to do something as minor as getting a letter in the mail (I'd put it off for weeks).
But ya, as I climbed out of my hole, I started realizing that much of my burnout revolved around an emotional issue. Cleaning my home office wasn't the problem, going through 10 years of old bills/paperwork and reliving some difficult times in my life was. I guess I had hoarded that baggage in my mind. You'll have your own insights though.
And it will absolutely get better, even though it feels rough right now. Just move at least 1 step forward each day and you WILL reach your destination.
Edit: I forgot to mention that I don't have to use my TODO lists anymore. I do use the iOS calendar app, or jot things down occasionally in Slack, but it's few and far between. So put aside any worries of lists coming to dominate your life :-)
On a vaguely related note, the 'How I built this' podcast has recently been running a 'How I built resilience' series, focusing on how founders and entrepreneurs are navigating turbulent times. https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510313/how-i-built-this