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Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by dfox »

tasogare wrote: post #32
elric wrote: post #26

I don't get this feature. And I really hate that it's present in pretty much every browser these days. If I want to type an URL, I'll use the address bar. If I want to search, I'll use the search bar. Different bars with different keyboard shortcuts and different purposes. Why do so many browsers merge these two? Screens are insanely wide these days, so screen real estate can't be the reason. Are we trying to trick u…

> Screens are insanely wide these days This is not relevant for URL or search bars since they need to be displayed horizontally. Separate bars means less vertical screen space, which is still scarce.

See this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Firefox_1.0.png

In firefox preferences there still is an option to switch to old layout with two bars. Sadly it does exactly the same thing as adding search bar manually, that is gives you second redundant search bar and does not turn off search support in the original url bar.

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by steventhedev »

CKN23-ARIN wrote: post #16
jiggawatts wrote: post #5

I'm curious to know how much data the root namespace servers put out in terms of gbps, but this doesn't seem to be public information.

https://root-servers.org/ Select a root server at the bottom. Some, but not all, have a "statistics" link. Seems to be stated in qps and message size distribution, but you should be able to derive traffic volume from that.

Assuming the mean is close to the median, they are reporting ~10B requests daily with a median response size of around 1KB. 10TB daily is a little under 1Gpbs. Traffic is spiky, but this isn't particularly complex once you consider they have multiple data centers/servers. Of course, I may have misread something as daily that was hourly or something like that...

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by tasogare »

ebg13 wrote: post #34
tasogare wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Screens are insanely wide these days This is not relevant for URL or search bars since they need to be displayed horizontally. Separate bars means less vertical screen space, which is still scarce.

> This is not relevant for URL or search bars since they need to be displayed horizontally Need? Has anyone tried?

Good luck reading anything in latin script with a one-character wide vertical search bar. This would works for Chinese (that’s the traditional writing orientation) but definitely not for most other languages.

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by tgv »

g2347890 wrote: post #36
elric wrote: post #26

I don't get this feature. And I really hate that it's present in pretty much every browser these days. If I want to type an URL, I'll use the address bar. If I want to search, I'll use the search bar. Different bars with different keyboard shortcuts and different purposes. Why do so many browsers merge these two? Screens are insanely wide these days, so screen real estate can't be the reason. Are we trying to trick u…

all technically deprived people I have seen, use none of the above, the first thing they do is open google (most have it nowadays in defult tab page) and they type the URLs given to them there, no one knows about address/search bar, and if some know, they expect it to work like the google search box Update: I hide some site of mine from google, I do not care about SE traffic and block any crawler, and I have noticed…

I've seen other weird behavior, even from people with a fair bit of computer experience. Techie instinct is not the right basis for making UI decisions.

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by tasogare »

dfox wrote: post #41
tasogare wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Screens are insanely wide these days This is not relevant for URL or search bars since they need to be displayed horizontally. Separate bars means less vertical screen space, which is still scarce.

See this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Firefox_1.0.png In firefox preferences there still is an option to switch to old layout with two bars. Sadly it does exactly the same thing as adding search bar manually, that is gives you second redundant search bar and does not turn off search support in the original url bar.

Oh yes, I remember that. I don’t miss it at all, save for the annoying behavior of single bar when a search contains dot (e.g. searching for a dotnet namespace).

While the single bar is my preference I agree that more choice should be given to the end user. Google is trying to hard to shovel the changes that benefit them than addressing user’s needs (obvious example being AMP).

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by elric »

g2347890 wrote: post #36
elric wrote: post #26

I don't get this feature. And I really hate that it's present in pretty much every browser these days. If I want to type an URL, I'll use the address bar. If I want to search, I'll use the search bar. Different bars with different keyboard shortcuts and different purposes. Why do so many browsers merge these two? Screens are insanely wide these days, so screen real estate can't be the reason. Are we trying to trick u…

all technically deprived people I have seen, use none of the above, the first thing they do is open google (most have it nowadays in defult tab page) and they type the URLs given to them there, no one knows about address/search bar, and if some know, they expect it to work like the google search box Update: I hide some site of mine from google, I do not care about SE traffic and block any crawler, and I have noticed…

Isn't that just a matter of educating users? Users, contrary to popular belief, are not stupid. Everyone starts off knowing nothing at all, but we can teach them what an address is and we can teach them how to search for things.

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by ClikeX »

g2347890 wrote: post #36
elric wrote: post #26

I don't get this feature. And I really hate that it's present in pretty much every browser these days. If I want to type an URL, I'll use the address bar. If I want to search, I'll use the search bar. Different bars with different keyboard shortcuts and different purposes. Why do so many browsers merge these two? Screens are insanely wide these days, so screen real estate can't be the reason. Are we trying to trick u…

all technically deprived people I have seen, use none of the above, the first thing they do is open google (most have it nowadays in defult tab page) and they type the URLs given to them there, no one knows about address/search bar, and if some know, they expect it to work like the google search box Update: I hide some site of mine from google, I do not care about SE traffic and block any crawler, and I have noticed…

So many people do this. They'll open the browser and start typing google.com in the omnibar. Even though it says "Search or enter address" right there.

If the less tech savvy can't figure out that it does both, then maybe it isn't as intuitive as the browser builders think.

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by Shared404 »

elric wrote: post #46
g2347890 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

all technically deprived people I have seen, use none of the above, the first thing they do is open google (most have it nowadays in defult tab page) and they type the URLs given to them there, no one knows about address/search bar, and if some know, they expect it to work like the google search box Update: I hide some site of mine from google, I do not care about SE traffic and block any crawler, and I have noticed…

Isn't that just a matter of educating users? Users, contrary to popular belief, are not stupid. Everyone starts off knowing nothing at all, but we can teach them what an address is and we can teach them how to search for things.

> Users, contrary to popular belief, are not stupid.

"I don't care about learning, I just want it to work."

"Why do I care again?"

"Just make it do it right."

"Can you come fix the CPU again?" (Speaking about PC, with the difference explained multiple times previously.)

"Can you come fix the computer again?" (Same person speaking about monitor. Difference also explained previously.)

These are all actual quotes from Friends/Family/Co-workers

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Why does Chrome (Google) need to know whether DNS is being intercepted? What actions does Google take based on the answer?

Note that under this crude test of sending queries for unregistered domains, a user who administers their own DNS could be indistingushiable from "DNS interception" by an ISP or other third party.

I administer my own DNS. I do not use third party DNS. These random queries would just hit my own DNS servers, not the root servers.

Re: Chromium's Impact on Root DNS Traffic

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Post by corty »

thayne wrote: post #25
the_pwner224 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just thinking for a few seconds, I can think of a number of ways to not repeatedly spam DNS servers while still accomplishing the objective. If you were to send 3 random queries to Google every time you opened your browser, you would quickly get hellbanned behind a recaptcha. Not saying that we should embark on some quest for retribution against Google. It's just sad.

Google could, you know, use their own DNS servers for this...

They could just use DNSSEC...
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