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Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

#41
Let's see how crazy this is or isn't. From http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:GOOG I see that Google has a market cap of $184.61B. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google Google has $46.24B in equity, and 24,400 employees.

Equity tends to add to market cap 1-1, so Google's market cap from ongoing operations and potential for growth is $138.37B. That works out to about $5,670,000 per employee. Considering that Google's stock price still reflects a market belief that they will have a lot of growth in their future, most of that market value lies in the actual people. The average Googler is worth millions to Google.

I have absolutely no trouble believing that key employees with a lot of talent and institutional knowledge are worth many times the average. The main thing that is shocking if this story is true is that Google has a good enough understanding of who is worth what to the company that they can properly recognize and act on that fact.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like where you're going, but it mentioned it was $50MM in stock, not salary.

I would like to believe that the US visa laws are insufficiently moronic to be defeated by such a ploy... can anyone confirm?

The laws are moronic, confirmed.

I don't know what gave the GGP the idea that salaries are publicly declared in visa filings (which are not public anyway). The laws are not THAT moronic.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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This isn't an April Fools post is it? I mean seriously, if you're willing to pay $50M or $100M to keep a single employee from walking, what happens if they die on their commute into work? What sort of risk are you carrying anyway? And I didn't think I could be amazed by 'Google scale' any more, sure proves I was wrong on that.

I'm wondering if they failed to check the date on the email of their tip-off. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I might be mistaken but I believe Sundar Pichai isn't an american national, in which case he'll be working on a visa. And in the US work visas require a public declaration of salary (the published data has the names stripped but frankly at a $50m salary I imagine he'd be easy to spot). So…

He seems to have been here (in the US) long enough to be either a permanent resident or naturalized Citizen. So that wouldn't apply, unless someone knows otherwise for sure.

Wrt Visa rules, I know you have to disclose salary information to the INS when applying for a work permit, don't think that's publicly available though.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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"If you're a Google employee and you aren't out interviewing at Facebook, Twitter or Zynga you are a moron" This is why this has to be false. The precedent would be destructive. How many employees will go out looking for a job to use as leverage, not get a google counter offer, and just leave?

Or it could be clever. Google is at a stage in their corporate life where they need people who aren't primarily chasing money. Maybe this is a plan to get those people to leave.

"Google is at a stage in their corporate life where they need people who aren't primarily chasing money."

I find myself wondering what possible trigger point for that transition you could have in mind that has not already happened.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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This isn't an April Fools post is it? I mean seriously, if you're willing to pay $50M or $100M to keep a single employee from walking, what happens if they die on their commute into work? What sort of risk are you carrying anyway? And I didn't think I could be amazed by 'Google scale' any more, sure proves I was wrong on that.

what happens if they die on their commute into work?

Then their estate would inherit whatever %age of the vesting period that they agreed.

So if they had agreed, as was written on TC, $50m over two years and they died after 6 months then the estate would receive $12.5m unless there was a cliff agreed.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it could be clever. Google is at a stage in their corporate life where they need people who aren't primarily chasing money. Maybe this is a plan to get those people to leave.

Who are you kidding? We are all chasing money.

Well, in the sense that we have to have money to survive generally, so we all have to take jobs that pay money, then yes, we are all chasing money. But that doesn't mean we all make the amount of money the PRIMARY determination on where we work and how we spend our time.

Many of us would take a lower paying job if it meant more interesting work, or a better work environment or location, or better long term stability.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

#47

Thanks for not using Techcrunch's title insinuating that there is a high-ranking Google mole within Twitter.

that's probably the only thing techcrunch is good at these days, coming up with these exaggerated titles. these days you can't help but roll your eyes on all the tabloid articles they post.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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post #41

Let's see how crazy this is or isn't. From http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:GOOG I see that Google has a market cap of $184.61B. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google Google has $46.24B in equity, and 24,400 employees. Equity tends to add to market cap 1-1, so Google's market cap from ongoing operations and potential for growth is $138.37B. That works out to about $5,670,000 per employee .…

1. You seem to imply Google's worth comes entirely from its employees. What about its technology, branding, userbase and paying customers?

2. Google's stock has a P/E in the low 20s. That is not a price that indicates an expectation of a ton of growth.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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post #41

Let's see how crazy this is or isn't. From http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:GOOG I see that Google has a market cap of $184.61B. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google Google has $46.24B in equity, and 24,400 employees. Equity tends to add to market cap 1-1, so Google's market cap from ongoing operations and potential for growth is $138.37B. That works out to about $5,670,000 per employee .…

^ Google employee.

Re: Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

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Multiple sources close to Twitter have said that someone with access to Twitter’s most confidential information, such as who they are interviewing for key executive spots, may be leaking that information directly to Google.

This sounds dubious to me. It is not only unethical for a senior Twitter employee to be leaking such information but it is plainly illegal. An employee owes a fiduciary duty to his employer to perform his duties strictly for the benefit of that employer. Such an employee also has obligations not to disclose or misuse any trade secret information belonging to that employer. Both of these are pretty serious legal obligations, the violation of which would subject not only the direct malefactor to major liabilities but also anyone conspiring with him to commit the wrongs.

This story, then, assumes that Google is effectively engaged in knowing illegal acts of the most serious kind. While that in theory might be true, it assumes that (1) Google has a company ethic that would tolerate such willful misconduct, and (2) Google would be stupid enough to engage in a course of conduct that could pretty readily be exposed, much to its injury in law and in reputation.

This doesn't ring true for me.

In addition, grants of conventional restricted stock are in fact sales of stock to a recipient. That means someone has to pay for them. Assuming the Google stock here is being sold at fair value, that is one hefty price tag for an employee to pay. Of course, a board of directors might authorize payment by a loan to the employee but that loan would need to be full-recourse in order not to create inordinate tax problems for the company. This means that the employee would borrow, in one case, $100 million, and, in the other, $50 million, on terms for which he can be personally sued for failure to pay. And what would the employee get for his $100- or $50-million price tag? Well, in the normal course, stock worth just that. So where is the bargain for the employee? Even with a discounted price, the risk to the employee would be enormous because the deal would effectively be a bet that Google's stock will increase significantly in value before the stock vests and the payment comes due. Again, this doesn't really make sense. CEOs take such bets with restricted stock on occasion when a company is still fairly young (e.g., Meg Whitman with Ebay), but this is unheard of for an engineer employee, even a high-level one.

A deal of this type could be structured with stock options that would not need to be paid for up front and would not result in a tax hit or payment obligation to the employee upon grant. But this piece specifically uses the term "restricted stock." Perhaps this is not really restricted stock proper but some sort of restricted units that mimic stock but really constitute contingent employee bonuses. But the piece is suspect in its confident assertion that "restricted stock" was used.

Finally, there are the public company implications. Whenever a company incurs a material event, it must be publicly reported in fairly short order in SEC filings. A $150 million outlay? That would seem material even for Google.

Then there is the question of board of director responsibility. Directors have fiduciary duties to adhere to in making stock grants. How would the Google board justify these grants? And how could they justify them based on illegal "tips" received from a Twitter employee.

I may be missing some nuances here, as my firm does not often get deeply into fine points of public-company law. On its face, though, this one does not add up when the legal factors of which I know are taken into account.

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