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Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by Covzire »

jhawk28 wrote: post #31
squarefoot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's the same guy who endorsed the use of hydroxychloroquine as Covid-19 treatment by falsely claiming that it was safe and the FDA had approved it, and at least one person died after following his advice, so no surprise at all. He says what at the moment brings more approval without any care of the consequences. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/03/23/man-dead-... ps. to 45' fanboys: a nice side effect of…

I don't think drinking fish tank cleaner constitutes following his advice.

More Darwinism at work than anything, but there was also some suspicion she murdered him.

I can't shake this feeling that, just like the lies we were told about masks in order to stop the public from gobbling them all up, like they did with toilet paper, we're being lied to the same way with HCQ in order to protect the supply for the non-peasant classes. On one side there is a shrill loud voice saying it's foolish to take it, it's less than useless, etc, and on the other side there are multiple studies showing it is/was useful if used in a particular way. I have little Karma to burn but do as you will.

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Post by Temasik »

sjansen wrote: post #37
bovermyer wrote: post #16

That sounds suspiciously like he's considering pardoning Snowden. Also... going from calling for Snowden's execution to potentially pardoning him is one hell of a 180.

I think Snowden is a hero. Sadly, this feels more like Trump’s perverse “everything Obama did was bad so I’ll do the opposite” logic, instead of acknowledging that Edward Snowden made a difficult choice to protect our republic.

everything obama did was bad, yes it was bad

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Post by mc32 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #27
mc32 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were to happen I can imagine at least some people who were for his pardon in ‘14 would denounce the pardon if it came to be.

Of course, given any absurd position, you can find somebody who holds it, so the implication of targeting one such position would be that, unlike the others, its representation is non-negligible. I disagree in this example - this seems like the invention of specifically irrational people for the purpose of mocking whatever broader group you perceive them to be a part of. However, what you would certainly find are peo…

If he does do it I think it potentially puts Biden in a tough spot. Biden would have to denounce it (since he was part of the team that wanted him), but that’s contra what lots of libertarians and some leftists would favor vis a vis exposure of government overreach into citizens’s private data.

It would be deft but also political, but then again what politician doesn’t make political moves, including interventionist wars?

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Post by slg »

Shivetya wrote: post #29
bovermyer wrote: post #16

That sounds suspiciously like he's considering pardoning Snowden. Also... going from calling for Snowden's execution to potentially pardoning him is one hell of a 180.

I would love him to do so. We really need another wake up call in this country that the government routinely lies to us and that trusting our officials requires them proving they can be trusted. Remember, Snowden has been out of this country since May of 2013 and the last Administration did not pardon him but instead did pardon Manning whose actions were more reckless. It really comes down to the fact Snowden really…

Manning stood to face her her crimes like a long line of revered civil disobedients before her. Snowden ran away into the arms of a hostile foreign power. That has just as much to do with pissing off the government as what either of them revealed.

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Post by yc3po »

Shivetya wrote: post #29
bovermyer wrote: post #16

That sounds suspiciously like he's considering pardoning Snowden. Also... going from calling for Snowden's execution to potentially pardoning him is one hell of a 180.

I would love him to do so. We really need another wake up call in this country that the government routinely lies to us and that trusting our officials requires them proving they can be trusted. Remember, Snowden has been out of this country since May of 2013 and the last Administration did not pardon him but instead did pardon Manning whose actions were more reckless. It really comes down to the fact Snowden really…

The problem is that the government has already proven that they cannot be trusted, especially with weaponized tech.

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Post by sharkmerry »

p7hwfizeONj wrote: post #39
happytoexplain wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the EFF, Bernie, or Clinton criticize Trump for withdrawing, and was the criticism only for the withdrawal, or for how it was handled? (Honest questions - I'm not familiar).

EFF, who I do follow, has not criticized the withdraw. I don't know enough about Bernie or Clinton to know where they stand on the issue. Clinton's de-endorsement was probably not genuine so I'd bet she has criticisms of the withdraw. My main point is that an issue that was popular on the left (enough for Clinton to flip-flop on) seems to now be mostly the voices of the left criticizing the withdraw. There might be s…

Changing your mind or evolving your opinion is just "flip-flopping"?

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

mc32 wrote: post #14
nabla9 wrote: post #12

... Now, THEREFORE, I, DONALD JOHN TRUMP , President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Edward Joseph Snowden for all offenses against the United States which he, Edward Joseph Snowden, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period…

If that were to happen I can imagine at least some people who were for his pardon in ‘14 would denounce the pardon if it came to be.

Trump should pardon Snowden because it's the right thing to do.

He should also not be undercutting the post office, assassinating Iranian generals, enforcing tariffs on allies like Canada and Europe.

Pardoning Snowden is a meaningless gesture, it does nothing to stop the military industrial complex and the intelligence apparatus that he supports

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Post by Johnjonjoan »

bovermyer wrote: post #16

That sounds suspiciously like he's considering pardoning Snowden. Also... going from calling for Snowden's execution to potentially pardoning him is one hell of a 180.

Perhaps he expects the Russians will execute him if he's pardoned. Wouldn't surprise me given their track record.
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