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Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Hasn’t Safari already been doing this for ages with no issues?

Yes, it has been doing it for ages, both on macOS and iOS.

Safari does something like this (showing the full url only when you select it), and it can also be disabled in the settings.

It does not do anything like obfuscating where the document comes from, like Chrome on Android does to hide the fact that they are serving AMP pages.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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I’m not sure why this is being downvoted, this is an accurate albeit sardonic description of what’s happening. People don’t want to visit AMP sites, they want to visit the site that’s the original source for their news, etc...

I mean, depends who you mean by people? I'm pretty happy to go to amp sites. The thing I care about is the content.

Yeah, well maybe after they have this power, we can leave it to google to fix all the content next ;)

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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> “Showing the full URL may detract from the parts of the URL that are more important to making a security decision on a webpage," Chromium software engineer Livvie Lin said in a design document earlier this year. I’m a software engineer, too, but I would never make such an important UX decision because I know that is not my area of expertise. I hope they’ve gotten significant user feedback on this before rolling it…

I wonder if Livvie Lin and other Google engineers read such HN threads. What might be their internal discussions, I wonder.

How do they justify such design decisions? Are they asked by someone else to figure out how to make such wierd things happen as they just do as ordered?

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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When the final version is implemented in a couple of years you will no longer see any URL, that way it won't be as evident that most sites on the web will be loaded from Google. Google is also attacking this issue from a different perspective with Signed Exchanges [1][2], to fake the URL and ensure their success in becoming the gatekeepers of the internet. If you refuse to become a content provider for Google's visio…

Yeah the endgame would involve a play-store like 30% cut of any revenue, subscription, ads, anything. 30% cut from non-Google ad network revenue as well. At that point publishers won't have a choice any more because of the Chrome and Google search monopolies.

By that time it will be warranted to limit user freedom on the web to make security and privacy accessible for everyone, just like Apple does today on their devices. The scary open web and the meaning of a general purpose computing device will be easily forgotten.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure why this is being downvoted, this is an accurate albeit sardonic description of what’s happening. People don’t want to visit AMP sites, they want to visit the site that’s the original source for their news, etc...

I mean, depends who you mean by people? I'm pretty happy to go to amp sites. The thing I care about is the content.

Then you've not used many AMP sites - many do not function properly and try to 'stream' the content as you scroll leading to a garbage experience and missing content.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Vote with your choices (use a different browser). That's the only way to address such behaviour. Yes, I know the 95% out there who don't even know what a browser is but only know Chrome's icon gives access to the web won't understand any of this and they will continue giving mega-corporations a critical mass of unquestioning users to be used, but we have no other options.

We either express our voices, no matter if they're fringe (and hope it catches on) or we can just give up and not even write these articles any more.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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No

I just confirmed that desktop Safari has exactly the behavior this post describes. If I visit any Wikipedia page, what I see in the URL bar is "[lock icon] en.wikipedia.org". The path is entirely removed.

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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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IMO this is the real reason why they're pushing hard towards this: However, it's also worth considering that making the web address less important, as this feature does, benefits Google as a company. Google's goal with Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) and similar technologies is to keep users on Google-hosted content as much as possible, and Chrome for Android already modifies the address bar on AMP pages to hide that…

We are going back to AOL days. That didn’t work out so well for AOL in the long run. It’s kind of crazy to me you can’t do marketing now without at least discussing Google and Facebook these days.

Edit: at least you knew you were the customer with AOL and paid them with clear terms for access.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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I still haven't found a good answer why they do this. "Makes it harder to tell if the current site is legitimate" sounds like an excuse. If you are the perfect target for a phishing attack (= clicks on everything, enters passwords everywhere, has no clue about host names) then you also won't be able to understand what Chrome presents you in the address bar after obfuscation. My best explanation so far is that the Chr…

Trying hard not to sound like a conspiracy theorist. However, it's pretty obvious this benefits a walled garden strategy. With things like AMP, "rich snippets", etc, they keep eyeballs on Google owned properties longer. Slowly deprecating urls over time makes it less visually apparent. AOL was able to sell "keywords" this way, because it wasn't always obvious to their users how to get to the real internet.

It's not a wacky far-out conspiracy theory to notice that Google is attempting to dominate the internet. It's a serious problem that we need to do something about before it's too late.
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