Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by ProAm » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:29 PM UTC

Findeton wrote: post #13

I don't think this should be regulated at all. Apple should be able to impose their rules in their systems. Let's be clear about this, if people are choosing to buy these black-box closed handheld computing devices, there are consequences that come with that choice.

Who's device is it? Apple's or the customer that paid for it in full?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by swiley » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:29 PM UTC

Findeton wrote: post #13

I don't think this should be regulated at all. Apple should be able to impose their rules in their systems. Let's be clear about this, if people are choosing to buy these black-box closed handheld computing devices, there are consequences that come with that choice.

Apple is more than welcome to put whatever rules they want on their systems. My phone is not their system though, it’s mine! If I want to run tmux/fetchmail/ocamlc on it then it’s my problem not theirs!

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by downvoteme1 » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:30 PM UTC

I think that Apple will prevail in this legal fight . Apple is in good terms with this administration. Even when the social media has taken the blame by Congress, it has been google, Facebook and Twitter that have come under fire - but Apple not so much. And currently the US is in a position where how heavy handed the treatment is dependent on your relationship with the administration.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by qayxc » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:30 PM UTC

sedatk wrote: post #35

eggbrain wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, couldn't we just replace Microsoft->Sony and PC->Playstation and the argument falls apart a bit? > Imagine if Sony did this on Playstation. a) prohibiting the installation of non-PlayStation games and b) insisting that all purchases done via their store give them a 30% cut. Many platforms are like this -- and many also have the majority marketshare. Is this a call to redefine what platforms can and cannot con…

Arguably, Microsoft also does it on Xbox.

AFAIK in-app purchases are no problem on XBox. You can buy your Fortnite V-Bucks anywhere and can use them on XBox just fine, no?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by ultrarunner » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:31 PM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #33

pier25 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. The model makes sense for a console, as it's a very specialized device. A smartphone or a tablet are much closer to a general computing device. How many times has Apple said the iPad is a laptop replacement?

I disagree it makes sense on a console. Phones can be used to: -communicate -consume media -browse the web -play games Consoles can be used to: -play games -consume media -browse the web -communicate I fail to see the difference to be honest.

The difference is the spirit of the purpose they're purchased "for." Which is why (while I hate some of the walled garden) I'm skeptical of arguments to break up Apple or force them to generalize their products. Regulating the relationship between an offering and the supposed intention behind a purchase seems speculative at best, and, again, a win mostly reserved for the lawyers.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by mrspeaker » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:31 PM UTC

If I go to the App Store on my phone, and go to my "Purchased" list, Fortnite is still listed there. I wasn't up to date, and clicking on "update" gives the message:

    "Fortnite" No Longer Available. The developer has removed this app from the App Store.

Interesting wording. I wonder if they only have one message for pulled-by-Apple vs pulled-by-dev?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by whalesalad » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:32 PM UTC

You don't bite the hand that feeds.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by jeffrallen » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:33 PM UTC

The bigger the bully, the harder they eventually fall.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by paxys » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:34 PM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #33

pier25 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. The model makes sense for a console, as it's a very specialized device. A smartphone or a tablet are much closer to a general computing device. How many times has Apple said the iPad is a laptop replacement?

I disagree it makes sense on a console. Phones can be used to: -communicate -consume media -browse the web -play games Consoles can be used to: -play games -consume media -browse the web -communicate I fail to see the difference to be honest.

The point isn't can be used to, but rather are used to.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:34 PM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #33

pier25 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. The model makes sense for a console, as it's a very specialized device. A smartphone or a tablet are much closer to a general computing device. How many times has Apple said the iPad is a laptop replacement?

I disagree it makes sense on a console. Phones can be used to: -communicate -consume media -browse the web -play games Consoles can be used to: -play games -consume media -browse the web -communicate I fail to see the difference to be honest.

Are you purposefully conflating them?

I used a phone to call an ambulance, provide the police with video evidence of a crime, navigate when I am lost, file company accounts, banking, and to aid in mapping for architecture and subsequently applying for planning permission.

What do you do on a console that could cost you life and limb or render you bancrupt?