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What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?
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Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please educate yourself on the matter: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...
The condescending tone was completely unnecessary given that you failed to even comprehend my point. Your leg to stand on is that TikTok's (China's?) "shit" smells the worst as such "we" have the moral high ground. A slightly less smelling "shit" is shit nonetheless. The world isn't binary and not being the worst doesn't make you good. But I see a strong sense of nationalism and patriotism that prevents you from even…
> The condescending tone was completely unnecessary given that you failed to even comprehend my point.
Apologies, I didn't mean to sound condescending.
> Your leg to stand on is that TikTok's (China's?) "shit" smells the worst as such "we" have the moral high ground.
That isn't the point, really. It's just that TikTok is in a whole different league. A quote from the Reddit comment I've linked prior:
> For what it's worth I've reversed the Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter apps. They don't collect anywhere near the same amount of data that TikTok does, and they sure as hell aren't outright trying to hide exactly whats being sent like TikTok is. It's like comparing a cup of water to the ocean - they just don't compare.
> The world isn't binary and not being the worst doesn't make you good.
Nobody said that. The issue is that TikTok is "essentially malware that is targeting children".
And pointing that out doesn't suddenly make me a fan of Facebook. Your point is a false dilemma.
> But I see a strong sense of nationalism and patriotism that prevents you from even looking further than "they're worse so we must be good".
I'm not American but German.
Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?
#43It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children. Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.
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Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
> a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children Are non-Chinese surveillance dragnets (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, etc.) capturing every bit of data imaginable about every nationality's children or adults more palatable? Just like China, the US is doing whatever it can to maintain its superpower status, and its allies and enemies in check. And it's obvi…
Please educate yourself on the matter: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...
You mean educate myself with a post from an anonymous random Redditor who never actually proved any of their claims?
https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktok_reversing/comments/i3d9qw/so...
I feel like this is the tech equivalent of QAnon...
To be clear, I don't think Facebook is any better than Tiktok. But I've seen zero actual evidence it's any worse. Frankly, the whole thing stinks of sinophobia dressed up as privacy pearl clutching...
Edit: and if you want an actual analysis with real evidence and data:
https://medium.com/@fs0c131y/tiktok-logs-logs-logs-e93e81626...
"As far as we can see, in its current state, TikTok doesn’t have a suspicious behavior and is not exfiltrating unusual data."
Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?
#45I disagree with the authors conclusions. All Chinese companies are owned by the Chinese government. China is a horrible regime that murders it's own people, not to mention half the nation is starving while the Politburo lives in fancy houses chauffeured in fancy cars. It is not a great leap to conclude that a nation like that which owns a very popular social media app would not attempt to use it for subversive means.
Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?
#46It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children. Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.
>every bit of data imaginable about American children // TikTok is pretty inane, what do you think they can find out that's detrimental; how do you think the data will be used that is malicious?
They are pretty well known to go after US-based people (Chinese .. and non-Chinese citizens) by threatening friends and family still living in China, in response to various issues, or simply criticism. For espionage. To force them to return to China. To help them force other Chinese back. To force out Buddhism. And I'm sure that list has not gotten shorter.
In a few cases even non-Chinese citizens whose friends became "reachable" for the Chinese government.
TikTok would be an excellent source of information for this practice.
Examples:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/fbi-chief-china-threa...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-wray/china-coer...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/you-could-end-...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/03/21/china-government-threats...
Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?
#47It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children. Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.
“TikTok is unique...” might be true, but then why is TikTok not the only company targeted by this royal edict?
When 17 year olds can “own Twitter” and Facebook just budgets 9 figures for data collection compliance fines, are you sure there’s a bright line distinction in the world that’s not “let’s all agree we’re not the terrible/hated/untrustworthy other”? Is the problem that another sovereign country could coerce a company to provide a service that Facebook provides for money?
Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
The condescending tone was completely unnecessary given that you failed to even comprehend my point. Your leg to stand on is that TikTok's (China's?) "shit" smells the worst as such "we" have the moral high ground. A slightly less smelling "shit" is shit nonetheless. The world isn't binary and not being the worst doesn't make you good. But I see a strong sense of nationalism and patriotism that prevents you from even…
> The condescending tone was completely unnecessary given that you failed to even comprehend my point. Apologies, I didn't mean to sound condescending. > Your leg to stand on is that TikTok's (China's?) "shit" smells the worst as such "we" have the moral high ground. That isn't the point, really. It's just that TikTok is in a whole different league. A quote from the Reddit comment I've linked prior: > For what it's w…
> It's like comparing a cup of water to the ocean - they just don't compare.
The comparison is disingenuous because it makes it look like the current US based social media scene is as harmless and unassuming as a cup of water. When they appeared they were the ocean. What they were doing then was just as unacceptable as what TikTok is doing now. And they were still "shoved" down our throats with the same tricks of the trade TikTok is using now. We just raised our baseline and the unacceptable became acceptable.
How about if we say it's like a sea to the ocean? They still "just don't compare" but both are able to easily drown the world's population and for a ship on that water for all intents and purposes they're the same.
Let's not delude ourselves, this isn't about "too much data is being collected" or the gratuitous "but but but children" remark. Between all the US-based big-tech companies and the NSA/Five Eyes, the US has enough data to blackmail children for decades to come (see? the children argument works both ways). No, the problem here is that someone other than the US is doing it and could get an upper hand.
Facebook and Alphabet have probably collected more info about the people of the world than any other companies in existence and all of it can/is being shared with intelligence services if demanded. Isn't this collecting an ocean of data about your children? [0] I could dig up 1000 stories like that. But you're not worried because you were educated that some countries doing it is OK and China's explicitly not on that list.