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Post by fermienrico »

unishark wrote: post #37
olliej wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not just the NZ media, and it’s not just NZ. More or less every country other than the US looks at America as a train wreck now. It’s an embarrassment

And in turn most Americans don't know or care about the rest of the world. It's been this way my entire (relatively long) life. The only new thing that is the last couple decades brought the internet where many of us can learn about what's going on out there.

That's true for pretty much any large country. Do you really think some middle family in Xiamen really gives a shit about American politics?

Do you think that a 55 year old farmer in Ohio, USA gives a damn about the the rest of the world?

People are just getting by for the most part.

Re: U.S. government issues travel warning for New Zealand due to '23 active cases'

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Post by fermienrico »

xupybd wrote: post #30
zamadatix wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I went through the CDC site and most places are 3 or 4 with the same message (the NZ message is currently a 1). It may seem silly to just put that warning for basically any country at first but really when you think about it yes, you shouldn't be traveling during a pandemic. I.e. "warning on traveling to " does not mean "because traveling inside the US is a good idea" it means "exercise caution when traveling d…

NZ media has a negative opinion of the current US administration and tends to write everything about them in a negative way.

I hope America can recover out of the damage the current administration has done. If Joe Biden wins the presidency, he is going to be busy meeting leaders of the world apologizing the mess Trump has created.

Just read through the 2016 Trump Presidency thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201

And the DNC strategy leaked in Wikileaks: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy_92NWEAAwyqe.jpg:large

Quoting comments:

> Trump won because the Democrats railroaded their best candidate in favor of someone who is profoundly unlikeable and untrustworthy. Regardless of if she is truly a criminal, or not, the Democratic party choose a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI instead of a candidate that had real honest to god connection with the working people of the country. The voters have literally said that even Trump is better than what the Democrats have tried to ram down their throats this election. This election was lost, not won.

I think we all would have been singing a different tune at this time if Hillary Clinton was the president. Remember, she lost by a small margin, and I really truly blame her for the complete mess. She trusted the polls too much, didn't raise empathy for people and she hadnt got the charisma of Obama to win people. Hillary even had the popular vote.

The course of history, and consequently the tunes of non-Americans and Americans' view of America would be different if small perturbations in short term had not caused profound changes in the outcome of history.

NZ press would be praising Hillary in one way or the other. It is simply that powerful.

Re: U.S. government issues travel warning for New Zealand due to '23 active cases'

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Post by olliej »

maneesh wrote: post #36
olliej wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not just the NZ media, and it’s not just NZ. More or less every country other than the US looks at America as a train wreck now. It’s an embarrassment

Do you think America isn’t looking at America like a trainwreck too?

Nope, but a lot of America clearly sees the current policies as being a success :-/

Re: U.S. government issues travel warning for New Zealand due to '23 active cases'

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Post by etherealmachine »

fermienrico wrote: post #41
unishark wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in turn most Americans don't know or care about the rest of the world. It's been this way my entire (relatively long) life. The only new thing that is the last couple decades brought the internet where many of us can learn about what's going on out there.

That's true for pretty much any large country. Do you really think some middle family in Xiamen really gives a shit about American politics? Do you think that a 55 year old farmer in Ohio, USA gives a damn about the the rest of the world? People are just getting by for the most part.

My girlfriend's father in Malaysia watched CCTV and a few other Chinese language broadcast news stations that had stories on what was happening in the US every day, so if the family in Xiamen has a TV then they might not "follow" US politics, but they definitely get informed about what's happening here.

Re: U.S. government issues travel warning for New Zealand due to '23 active cases'

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Post by lopmotr »

dqpb wrote: post #12
pmdulaney wrote: post #2

Wow. New Zealand is one of our most stalwart allies. Why would we do this?

Trump has been attacking US states, US federal agencies, US allies, and many subsets of American citizens since he took office. By most accounts he is not working in the interest of the US. Who is he working for? That's an open question.

This Russia-Trump conspiracy theory is one of the left's intellectual failures. You might as well believe Obama is a Muslim spy or the Illuminati controls the world or whatever. You've just been worked up into a frenzy by the media and don't realize it.

Re: U.S. government issues travel warning for New Zealand due to '23 active cases'

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Post by totalZero »

unishark wrote: post #37
olliej wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not just the NZ media, and it’s not just NZ. More or less every country other than the US looks at America as a train wreck now. It’s an embarrassment

And in turn most Americans don't know or care about the rest of the world. It's been this way my entire (relatively long) life. The only new thing that is the last couple decades brought the internet where many of us can learn about what's going on out there.

Dare I say, that's a little unfair to America.

About a quarter of the population of the USA is either first-generation or second-generation American.

Very few other countries have as much of a connection with the rest of the world.

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Post by CapricornNoble »

fermienrico wrote: post #42
xupybd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NZ media has a negative opinion of the current US administration and tends to write everything about them in a negative way.

I hope America can recover out of the damage the current administration has done. If Joe Biden wins the presidency, he is going to be busy meeting leaders of the world apologizing the mess Trump has created. Just read through the 2016 Trump Presidency thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 And the DNC strategy leaked in Wikileaks: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy_92NWEAAwyqe.jpg:large Quoting comments:…

>>>f Joe Biden wins the presidency, he is going to be busy meeting leaders of the world apologizing the mess Trump has created.

Assuming a future President Biden even knows where he is when he meets those world leaders. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-...

Really interesting see how the Bernie Bros felt on the subject: https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/cpfrfg/if_dem...

Re: U.S. government issues travel warning for New Zealand due to '23 active cases'

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Post by totalZero »

lopmotr wrote: post #45
dqpb wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has been attacking US states, US federal agencies, US allies, and many subsets of American citizens since he took office. By most accounts he is not working in the interest of the US. Who is he working for? That's an open question.

This Russia-Trump conspiracy theory is one of the left's intellectual failures. You might as well believe Obama is a Muslim spy or the Illuminati controls the world or whatever. You've just been worked up into a frenzy by the media and don't realize it.

I wouldn't equate Trump-Russia collusion with birtherism and other anti-Obama smears, for many reasons. Here are five.

* Russia systematically influenced internet forums, Twitter, etc, to help Trump in the 2016 election. This influence campaign is documented in the Mueller report, and several individuals and companies have been indicted. American intelligence says that Russia currently continues this activity.

* Mueller stated in his report that a lack of candor from several people interviewed as part of his investigation impeded the collection of evidence about coordination between Trump and Russia. Failure to bring charges against a person does not exonerate that person.

* Mueller did not set out to address the question of whether Trump "colluded" with Russia, and even if he addressed that topic in his report, there's no way for the public to know that, because the report is still heavily redacted.

* Manafort, Donald Jr., and Kushner met with representatives of the Russian government in Trump Tower. They did not disclose this to officials until Kushner was forced to revise his SF-86 because he failed to include information about his relationships with several key foreigners.

* Trump has sought election assistance from other foreign governments, including using missile defense as leverage over the Ukrainian president, as well as (according to Bolton) using a meeting with Xi Jinpeng to ask repeatedly for help with his re-election campaign.

Re: U.S. government issues travel warning for New Zealand due to '23 active cases'

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Post by unishark »

totalZero wrote: post #46
unishark wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in turn most Americans don't know or care about the rest of the world. It's been this way my entire (relatively long) life. The only new thing that is the last couple decades brought the internet where many of us can learn about what's going on out there.

Dare I say, that's a little unfair to America. About a quarter of the population of the USA is either first-generation or second-generation American. Very few other countries have as much of a connection with the rest of the world.

True I'm not really familiar with what gets covered on Telemundo and such. But I'd still bet Trump/Obama/Bush have gotten far more coverage in other countries than, say, Xi or Abe get in the US.

Re: U.S. government issues travel warning for New Zealand due to '23 active cases'

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Post by totalZero »

unishark wrote: post #49
totalZero wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dare I say, that's a little unfair to America. About a quarter of the population of the USA is either first-generation or second-generation American. Very few other countries have as much of a connection with the rest of the world.

True I'm not really familiar with what gets covered on Telemundo and such. But I'd still bet Trump/Obama/Bush have gotten far more coverage in other countries than, say, Xi or Abe get in the US.

I could see that being true. I think there are reasons for it.

I would argue that in many cases, American foreign (incl trade) and domestic (incl fiscal) policy have a greater impact on other countries' economies than do their own respective heads of state/government. Whether you like it or not, the strength of the relationship with the US is a major factor for the prosperity of many nations.

I think this is a big part of why people like Bolsonaro and Netanyahu use Trump's imagery when they campaign. Externally, it signals receptiveness to US interests. Domestically, it signals prosperity and security.

Also, the USA exports its culture to the rest of the world via TV, film, music, and the internet. Politics is a natural offshoot of that.

Some countries circulate US currency. Others peg their currency to the dollar. Petrostates do business in the dollar because that's the base currency for crude oil trading.

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