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Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by adelpozo »

randomfinn wrote: post #9
akersten wrote: post #2

Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

> What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? I don't think most Android users know how to install an apk, and as far as I know a similar distribution model is not possible on iOS.

Which VPN company is public traded? ;)

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by irrational »

zelly wrote: post #35

Hopefully this will raise awareness on PWAs. Hopefully using PWAs on mobile will be normalized by the 18-24 year olds. TikTok's PWA seems intentionally gimped (you can't even search) but I will bet it will suddenly start working once it disappears from the Western app stores. Is there anything TikTok does that the Web Platform + WASM cannot do? (besides spying)

Which platform? Apple (probably intentionally) doesn’t support many (any?) of the core features of PWAs on iOS.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by remarkEon »

akersten wrote: post #12
ve55 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok is not a US-based software company, they're a private company from China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bytedance There's been precedent set recently with e.g. Huawei: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/15/18216988/white-house-huaw... , but also keep in mind we have dealt with much stronger things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

> Tiktok is not a US-based software company, they're a private company from China It doesn't really matter, because the app code is repackaged at the Google/Apple level. At that point, it is from US-company to US-consumer. There are no "import restrictions" or customs on code (speech) like there are on hardware.

What point are you trying to make here? That the US Government does not have the sovereign authority to determine what companies operate within its borders?

Edit: Yeah, instead of downvoting this into oblivion, how about making an argument that the US Government doesn't have the authority to determine what companies operate within its borders.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by yushuf »

randomfinn wrote: post #9
akersten wrote: post #2

Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

> What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? I don't think most Android users know how to install an apk, and as far as I know a similar distribution model is not possible on iOS.

I know for iOS you can change the location of your account and have access to download apps outside the US. I wonder if Tik Tok users will do this and download/use the app anyways

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by croutonwhiskers »

Wasn't microsoft trying to acquire tiktok? Why not just let that happen rather than try to do something so extreme?

I'm not partial to tiktok at all but this is way to much of a big government move than I feel comfortable with.

Isn't this a violation of our first amendment rights?

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by astlouis44 »

zelly wrote: post #35

Hopefully this will raise awareness on PWAs. Hopefully using PWAs on mobile will be normalized by the 18-24 year olds. TikTok's PWA seems intentionally gimped (you can't even search) but I will bet it will suddenly start working once it disappears from the Western app stores. Is there anything TikTok does that the Web Platform + WASM cannot do? (besides spying)

This times 1000. PWA's + WASM are the only hope of we have of tearing down the walled gardens that are the modern app stores!

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by whoisjuan »

randomfinn wrote: post #9
akersten wrote: post #2

Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

> What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? I don't think most Android users know how to install an apk, and as far as I know a similar distribution model is not possible on iOS.

It wouldn’t matter. To make it effective the FCC would likely ask all the ISPs and Carriers to block TikTok IPs at the network level.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by euix »

Shows how far the balance of power has shifted in the last 20 years back when the Chinese government was banning western products to prevent "spiritual pollution" and "western influence". Now we got the reverse and it's also for ideological reasons (at least at face value).

Wonder if WeChat is next. That would be fairly effective in prevent overseas Chinese from communicating with the mainland and a lot of mom and pop businesses that operate through Wechat like the students who buy products for people back in China and advertise and transfer money using WeChat.

We'll be back to buying calling cards and dialing telephones, but I guess this is the era of decoupling one way or the other.

Maybe people will have to invent some kind of transformer software, like you plug a western chat app on one side and it passes messages through a third party relay to a chinese messaging app.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by nan0 »

Could this be the same as a tit for tat measure like with tariffs? China has banned a lot of US services and forced US corporations to pull content from their stores too [0] [1].

Genuinely asking and want to remain open-minded about this.

0:https://www.gadgetsnow.com/slideshows/10-popular-apps-and-we...

1: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/amp/news/tech/ch...

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