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Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#41

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Proven returns isn't being cocky. If your plan to compete directly with the coasts startup for startup, idea for idea I wish you the best of luck. I'm going to have to short your stock though. The Midwest at this time and possibly forever can't compete against the coasts for the types of startups project skyway is looking for. They have more quality talent for web/mobile/social/etc. They have more advanced networks a…

Matt, I'm not sure that I agree with you, for a number of reasons, but I cannot completely discount everything you say either. The idea that, because it is more difficult to build a software/web/mobile company in the Midwest; more difficult to get funded; and more difficult to become successful holds as much fiction as it does truth. And your assertion that, as you put it, we "are left funding founders not dedicated…

Why are you arguing points I didn't contest?

I have started, built and successfully exited from a couple of different companies, so I know it can be done.

Given this, how many angel investments in MN web/mobile/social/etc startups have you made?

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#42
post #17

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What is your sample size for your observation about 100% of the founders being technical? a) "startups" doesn't just cover high tech and social networking. b) There are a lot of quiet successes out there.

I agree, I think there are a ton of quiet success out there now. I'm currently working for a Minneapolis startup (based in the skyway downtown coincidentally) that has raised 10M+ in VC funding in the health insurance area. None of the original 3 founders are technical. You won't see us on techcrunch because health insurance isn't sexy, but we're having more of an impact on big businesses than 99% of what you will se…

I'd be interested in hearing more about it. Health insurance may not be sexy, but solutions to extremely complex business problems are, and I imagine there's some element of that in a health insurance startup.

That domain seems to be one of the most intractable around these days. It seems the gist of the situation is: There are four parties - doctors/staff/hospitals, patients, health insurance industry, and government/taxpayers. Effective reform is going to mean at least one of them gets [screwed|insert nicer word here]. There just isn't enough margin for all of them to make out comfortably.

Or is there some elegant solution hiding in the morass, waiting for some clever entrepreneurs to find and implement it?

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#43
First point.

$6000 in funding that comes with all these restrictions and gives away 9% of ownership is a terrible deal. It values your company at only $67,000.

If your company is only going to be worth $67,000 or less you should stop what you are doing right now and get a job working in services or retail.

On the other hand, if your company is worth much more than $67k, then this is not a good deal at all. VCs are not going to invest unless they think the company will be worth much more than $67k.

Second point.

If you need $6000 and somehow have not managed to save $6000 in the bank working as an engineer or designer then you should also reconsider whether you have the skills to create a successful tech company out of nothing.

Third point.

If you can't get a credit card with a greater than $6000 limit because of poor credit, please consider whether your financial skills are conducive to running a business.

Summary.

If $6000 is what you need to launch your company, borrow the money from mom, sell your car, or get a job for a couple months and save it.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#44
post #43

First point. $6000 in funding that comes with all these restrictions and gives away 9% of ownership is a terrible deal. It values your company at only $67,000. If your company is only going to be worth $67,000 or less you should stop what you are doing right now and get a job working in services or retail. On the other hand, if your company is worth much more than $67k, then this is not a good deal at all. VCs are no…

In regards to the first point, note that it's $6000 per founder as well, so they are investing between $6000 and $30000 per company. The amounts seem to be in line with other tech accelerators. Also, the hope that these tech accelerators / incubators seem to have is that the money is only a small part of the value that they bring to the startup. The mentorship and connections that they will supposedly bring could be worth much more than the seed funding.

That said, since we don't know their ability to bring in good mentors and connections/investors, it might not be a good idea. So I kind of agree with you there.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#45
post #43

First point. $6000 in funding that comes with all these restrictions and gives away 9% of ownership is a terrible deal. It values your company at only $67,000. If your company is only going to be worth $67,000 or less you should stop what you are doing right now and get a job working in services or retail. On the other hand, if your company is worth much more than $67k, then this is not a good deal at all. VCs are no…

Bugsy,

First point: Then don't apply.

Second point - Read... Then read some more. Do a little research on what you get when you are accepted by an accelerator. We are not fortunate enough to have a benefactor like Yuri Milner who is blind betting on an entire system (yet), but then neither are the companies we will fund. We fall directly in line with what most other accelerators invest.

Third and most important point: It's not really about the money. I think if you asked folks who had successfully started, built and exited from an early stage company, if they would give up between 6%-9% to be able to "accelerate their personal and business development; get expert legal advice; learn how to build decent financial models; learn how to build and manage a team; get their software built; get to work closely with and get exposed to hundreds of investors... they would say "absolutely" at least they would if they were smart.

Plus, most accelerators bring in investors to help companies learn how to write a good investor pitch, build a strong case for their business and present themselves in a way that investors feel comfortable with. The they turn around and listen to the pitches from companies that they helped mold. The advantage of this model is too obvious to require elaboration.

Eel was right when speaking of the REAL benefits.

Unfortunately, we haven't done a very good job communicating who our "Captains" (mentors, advisors, investors and friends) are. There will be a more detailed list of mentors and investors on the site shortly, but I assure you that we have the chops and the connections to make the Project Skyway experience a a worthwhile endeavor for early stage tech companies.

So, forget about the $6k. It is there to get you through three months; to pay your cell bill; buy groceries and keep you from having to supplement your income to a degree that you can't focus on your company, your customers, your products and your personal development. It is there to help you become the full-time, balls-out, "Go Big or Go Home" entrepreneur that you will have to be in order to be successful.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matt, I'm not sure that I agree with you, for a number of reasons, but I cannot completely discount everything you say either. The idea that, because it is more difficult to build a software/web/mobile company in the Midwest; more difficult to get funded; and more difficult to become successful holds as much fiction as it does truth. And your assertion that, as you put it, we "are left funding founders not dedicated…

Why are you arguing points I didn't contest? I have started, built and successfully exited from a couple of different companies, so I know it can be done. Given this, how many angel investments in MN web/mobile/social/etc startups have you made?

Hey Matt,

It seems like you are getting more worked up about this than is warranted. Nobody is trying to pick a fight with you. In fact, we all admire what you are doing with PedalBrain and we all wish you nothing but complete success. We feel like every startup in Minnesota that "makes it" puts us one step closer to our goal.

Now, to answer your question: I am not an investor right now. I hope to be able to do that someday, but I don't feel that I am financially savvy enough to hold my own in a highly technical conversation about the minutiae of financial terms within a complicated deal structure. I am a sales and marketing guy with a talent for picking winners, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I am a pure numbers guy, so VC's and angels who have been doing this for a long time would eat my lunch.

With that said, I have done viability analysis on hundreds of ideas, inventions and discoveries, on behalf of dozens of local investors, as well as having been a contract strategy consultant for the U of MN's Office for technology Commercialization; helping them figure out the commercial prospects for IP coming out of university-born-research. Also, I currently am privileged to have some of the most prominent, business-savvy investors in town support my company. So I continue to learn and hope to be able to jump into the angel investment side of things at a point when I don't feel like I am going to get chewed up in the process.

I am part of team who built the Project Skyway selection process, I see every application that comes in and I will play a role in deciding who gets funded. So, I can play a role in helping worth early-stage tech companies get seed-funding in that way as well.

Casey and I have also leveraged our personal networks, to ensure the participation of some rock-star investors, from both coasts as well as the Midwest so that, should our companies agree with you, that they would be better off somewhere else, they will at least have been exposed to investors from other parts of the country.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, I think there are a ton of quiet success out there now. I'm currently working for a Minneapolis startup (based in the skyway downtown coincidentally) that has raised 10M+ in VC funding in the health insurance area. None of the original 3 founders are technical. You won't see us on techcrunch because health insurance isn't sexy, but we're having more of an impact on big businesses than 99% of what you will se…

I'd be interested in hearing more about it. Health insurance may not be sexy, but solutions to extremely complex business problems are, and I imagine there's some element of that in a health insurance startup. That domain seems to be one of the most intractable around these days. It seems the gist of the situation is: There are four parties - doctors/staff/hospitals, patients, health insurance industry, and governmen…

There are actually 5 parties, you missed the Employer and that's the part of health insurance that we're trying to solve.

Currently in America, if you're not on medicare/medicaid, the vast majority of people get their health insurance through their employer (this is called a Defined Benefit). Providing this benefit to employees is a huge burden on employers for something that has nothing to do with their core business model.

What my company is doing is moving this to a Defined Contribution, where an employer gives $X/year to each employee and the employees can use that money to purchase whatever kind of health insurance fits their situation best.

Employer benefits:

- known, controllable costs

- get out of health insurance negotiation/shopping for their employees

- better awareness of employees in how much employer is contributing

Employee benefits:

- more plan choice to fit needs (ex: mental health, substance abuse, pregnancy coverage as options)

- many times cheaper for healthy individuals (encourages more responsibility for employees staying healthy)

- more transparency into total compensation by employers

The same transformation happened in the 80's with pensions moving to 401k. The move from Defined Benefit to Defined Contribution is coming, and there's a huge market out there to make that transition happen.

Pension : 401k :: Defined Health Benefit : Defined Health Contribution

There's also a HUGE opportunity coming up with Health Reform where companies that didn't previously provide health insurance to their employees will now be mandated to (or pay a big penalty). Going with a Defined Contribution model is their easiest route to satisfying the mandate. Simply fork over a pile of money and you're done. No other screwing around with health insurance companies/brokers every year to do something new.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you arguing points I didn't contest? I have started, built and successfully exited from a couple of different companies, so I know it can be done. Given this, how many angel investments in MN web/mobile/social/etc startups have you made?

Hey Matt, It seems like you are getting more worked up about this than is warranted. Nobody is trying to pick a fight with you. In fact, we all admire what you are doing with PedalBrain and we all wish you nothing but complete success. We feel like every startup in Minnesota that "makes it" puts us one step closer to our goal. Now, to answer your question: I am not an investor right now. I hope to be able to do that…

I'm not worked up. I'm seeking clarity for those applying to Project Skyway. They're new, naive and easily taken advantage of. I'm asking the questions I would hope they would ask.

If you haven't made enough on your exits to angel invest, then you built lifestyle companies which I understand Project Skyway doesn't want. Additionally, you're providing advice to entrepreneurs on how to create something which you haven't done yourself. That would give me pause if I was applying. Maybe your just providing your network to entrepreneurs for a fee (the equity stake Project Skyway takes). In that case, your price is much too large compared to Angel List and your value is significantly less.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#49

From their application: "Each member must have a moderately full [LinkedIn] profile with a minimum of 2 recommendations and 50 connections." Is this a thing now?

It actually is "a thing" now...or at least it is for us (Project Skyway). We definitely questioned ourselves as to why we might want to include something like this. In the end, we feel it is a proxy for one's dedication to develop one's network. Certainly it is not the only measure by which one could reasonably judge someone's ability to have become involved in a community and it may not even be the right one, but so…

With all due respect, consider that I am a tech guy with business sense, trying to get seed level funding solo in the Midwest.

LinkedIn represents all the bullshit I wish I could skip in the startup scene. LinkedIn is all the corporate politics and multi-tiered organizational madness I am trying to escape from by launching a startup.

So on the one hand, I feel like I am the prime demographic you should be trying to attract and recruit, but that LinkedIn requirement, combined with the "you don't need a tech guy" stance; it smells like a bullshit factory.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#50
post #43

First point. $6000 in funding that comes with all these restrictions and gives away 9% of ownership is a terrible deal. It values your company at only $67,000. If your company is only going to be worth $67,000 or less you should stop what you are doing right now and get a job working in services or retail. On the other hand, if your company is worth much more than $67k, then this is not a good deal at all. VCs are no…

Bugsy, First point: Then don't apply. Second point - Read... Then read some more. Do a little research on what you get when you are accepted by an accelerator. We are not fortunate enough to have a benefactor like Yuri Milner who is blind betting on an entire system (yet), but then neither are the companies we will fund. We fall directly in line with what most other accelerators invest. Third and most important point…

Regarding applying, I run my own business and I am sure I make more than all you guys combined. My comments are because this is posted on HN not on your web site and I have a right to comment. Maybe some kids will read my comments and realize how bizarre a $6000 offer is all things considered.

Sure, I understand that you are claiming to provide all sorts of introductions to power players, politicians and the illuminati who your site implies are your close and personal friends. Presumably then like Facebook one can get laws passed requiring internet ID and position themselves to get a monopoly. Work the system and create a global police state rather than provide a solid product customers want and choose to use voluntarily because it is valuable to them. Not all creators want to go the route of leveraging politicians with bribes and back door deals to succeed. Some of us just want to make a solid product free from interference from so corrupted politicians working to squash entrepreneurs that don't cut them in for a share as if they are the mafia.

Who are you guys again? How many successful businesses have you founded? Which politicians exactly are you related to and what are examples of your past successes influencing them in subversion of democracy?

A lot of innuendo, very little specifics. It all sounds like a bunch of big talkers looking to grab a slide of ownership of a bunch of companies for peanuts when those companies don't need any such help to succeed.

My opinion would be different if the offers weren't so tiny.

$6000 is nothing. Typical software product should be selling $6000 worth in a day or at most a week or what is the point.

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