Rather ironic that Google is having a problem with spam.
YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google made the bed for free and others wanted to pee in it. The rest blamed Google for the bed having pee in it and demanded they do something, including post 24 hour guards around the bed. I would take the bed away too.
Ah yes, YouTube, that product that Google made and that doesn't bring them any revenue. Two things that are definitely true.
You realize that revenue and profit are distinct?
Uber has massive revenues as do many other capital intensive businesses. That doesn't make them profitable.
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#43Seems like they have enough resources to train their translation NN and speech-to-text NN. I don't think google has introduced those features for the users in the first place but they were a means to get training data.
Earlier today I watched a video of two people talking. Youtube decided it was in french and the transcript had less than one word per minute, all of them wrong.
Are you suggesting that your anecdote is sufficient to meaningfully change YouTube's strategy around speech-to-text?
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#44It is too bad that the automated speech to text isn’t good enough to allow them to turn this feature off without losing a great deal of high quality subtitling.
Writing high quality captions requires more than just knowing what they are saying, although that is a large part of it. Furthermore, knowing what they are saying may require more than just listening.
(I don't use YouTube, but this applies just as well to television.)
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#45Seems like they have enough resources to train their translation NN and speech-to-text NN. I don't think google has introduced those features for the users in the first place but they were a means to get training data.
Their automated CC sucks, always has, and I check multiple times a year only to see that it still sucks, most recently last month. I’ve never had the best hearing, so I usually turn CC on when I can, particularly with ESL speakers with heavy accents; but if the only option on a YouTube video is the automated captions, then the only option is crap and I’ll go without. On the other hand channels with a large dedicated fan base will often have fans contributing captions out of their own volition.
If they really think their NN is good enough to replace community contributed captions, I have yet to see evidence of this, and there’s no evidence in the announcement that this is a vote of confidence in their tech. If anything, it’s a vote against their ability to manage spam and abuse, they just don’t want to deal with it anymore.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah, so in this version you have thirty-five million people who could agree on what is offensive. That's a daunting task without the "million" involved to begin with.
When you get hired as a regulation enforcer in any other scenario, it’s not your opinion but the actual regulations that determine your recourse. If it’s up to the opinions of the enforcement regime, that’s because the rules are unclear or opaque.
I've been on various forums with "moderation standards." The different moderators still have different approaches and different reputations for being a soft touch or heavy-handed. Human moderators, despite having standards or guidelines in front of them, are not consistent. When confronted about it, they will cite interpretations, "reading the room," discretion, and so on.
We have seen this scenario play out in censorship standards, various authorities, and so on over the decades. It never works as intended.
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#47The old school technique was youtube-dl coupled with a separate search for subs.
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#48Google just wants to eliminate any remaining trust users have in them, don't they? Every feature they remove, they do because it is a burden on feature velocity or maintenance. Fine, but why are they so bad at weighing it against long term trust? At this point, I expect the search box to search, Gmail to send emails, YouTube to host videos, maps to do navigation, and docs to edit docs. One core feature per platform,…
They’re getting hammered from the left for insufficient moderation of content, and from the right for overly aggressive moderation of content. It’s a lose-lose where the only real option is to remove extraneous features that enable users to upload content visible to others. Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate.
I have the demand that they stop their abusive tracking. Would they ever do that? No. So I guess they want to become TV to pacify advertisers.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
They’re getting hammered from the left for insufficient moderation of content, and from the right for overly aggressive moderation of content. It’s a lose-lose where the only real option is to remove extraneous features that enable users to upload content visible to others. Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate.
That's a different argument. The justification for the removal was spam, no?
This seems in line with other recent actions like disabling comments on broad swaths of YouTube videos. The given reason may be spam but it looks like there’s a pattern of surface area reduction.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah yes, YouTube, that product that Google made and that doesn't bring them any revenue. Two things that are definitely true.
You realize that revenue and profit are distinct? Uber has massive revenues as do many other capital intensive businesses. That doesn't make them profitable.
Last time I checked, YouTube ads were a very profitable business.
The parent to your comment chose revenue likely to note that Google makes money from the bed ie. it's not a service given away for free.