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Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

#41
this is very cool. could anyone help break down the costs?

specifically:

1. what are the most expensive parts, and how fast is technology advancing (or costs declining) on those parts?

2. what scale is necessary for a comparable robot to retail for < $1000?

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#42
post #38

Robots have a big problem - price tag. Research robot for $18k, Spot for $75k, single robot arm moving stuff from A to B - $50k+. How many organizations can afford that? No wonder, that robot adoption is extremely slow.

If something like this succeeds to the point of mass production, I could easily see the retail price been cut by 75% or more. That might be a big "if", though.

I imagine a bit of the current price tag is "we want serious purchasers who will be partners in the development of this device"; they don't want to build them for people who will just dick around with it for a bit and then relegate it to the corner of the room.

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#43
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems pretty cheap, tbh.

Does it? Having worked with robotics in mfg, part of the cost is stiffness. A stiff arm and mounts means repeatable actions. In the video this thing was flexing all over the place. It’s cool, no doubt. But it seems a well placed LEGO could nearly shut it down. I’m not seeing 18k as “cheap” in any sense here. Maybe I just don’t understand the business model or what goes into this.

Based on the article, the robots researchers are interested in seem even more expensive?

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#44
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$18k

That's the small scale developer edition. I don't know anything about home robots, but to me this seems to be the first design that is practical to bring to consumers. Not 2 human arms (or even legs) and some expensive face, but instead just a Roomba-ish base, telescope arm with grabber that moves up and down, camera on top.

Yeah, they should go here price first and make cheap hackable platform that would be awsome.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

#45
post #38

Robots have a big problem - price tag. Research robot for $18k, Spot for $75k, single robot arm moving stuff from A to B - $50k+. How many organizations can afford that? No wonder, that robot adoption is extremely slow.

At the point when control algorithms get good enough for them to be easily trainable to high performance on varied tasks, that price becomes quite cheap.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

#46

Things it can't do: - go up stairs - get up after a fall / reset itself - pick up heavy objects - precise motion (so no cooking) - interact with buttons or touch screens (so laundry might be hard) The one use case I think it might be worth it is if the robot can take a room full of toys and return everything back to where it belongs. Kind of like a one click, reset this room. If it can help me keep organized and clea…

Or you could teach your kids to clean up their toys themselves. Make it a fun game for example. Set an example by putting away your own groceries as soon as you put them in the kitchen. Boom 5k saved. Maybe they will grow up to not be the type of person who leaves all of their crap on the table of the university table after they are done studying. To be clear: I am not shifting on you as a parent. I am making fun of…

Instead of building robots, perhaps we should allow low cost care workers to help immobile people. These care workers can be sourced locally or abroad (immigrants). Boom. You've just lifted someone out of poverty and helped an immobile human get a live human care taker.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

#47
Nice. Certainly more affordable than the huge Willow Garage machine, although that could fold laundry. This thing will probably be showing up in robot research labs. If they sold a reasonable number it could be much cheaper.

The arm is not very rigid. Notice there's a barcode target on the end effector base (the "wrist") where the camera can see it. So the system can compensate for some bend. That's in some ways better than building a super-rigid structure.

I'm surprised there isn't a camera or two out at the end of the arm, for fine positioning. Cell phone camera parts are so cheap now that's a no-brainer.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

#48

Things it can't do: - go up stairs - get up after a fall / reset itself - pick up heavy objects - precise motion (so no cooking) - interact with buttons or touch screens (so laundry might be hard) The one use case I think it might be worth it is if the robot can take a room full of toys and return everything back to where it belongs. Kind of like a one click, reset this room. If it can help me keep organized and clea…

Wouldn't you pay for a robot what you would pay for a car if it can help you do your regular housekeeping? A $15k car arguably provides less value if you mostly use it to ferry you from home to work and back.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

#49

Things it can't do: - go up stairs - get up after a fall / reset itself - pick up heavy objects - precise motion (so no cooking) - interact with buttons or touch screens (so laundry might be hard) The one use case I think it might be worth it is if the robot can take a room full of toys and return everything back to where it belongs. Kind of like a one click, reset this room. If it can help me keep organized and clea…

Or you could teach your kids to clean up their toys themselves. Make it a fun game for example. Set an example by putting away your own groceries as soon as you put them in the kitchen. Boom 5k saved. Maybe they will grow up to not be the type of person who leaves all of their crap on the table of the university table after they are done studying. To be clear: I am not shifting on you as a parent. I am making fun of…

People used to say the same things about dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, powered lawn mowers, etc. Heck, one could imagine Og the caveperson lamenting that their kids don’t know how to drag stones properly anymore given that new fangled wheel invention. Don’t worry, we will find other ways to discipline and train our kids as tech marches forward.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

#50

Things it can't do: - go up stairs - get up after a fall / reset itself - pick up heavy objects - precise motion (so no cooking) - interact with buttons or touch screens (so laundry might be hard) The one use case I think it might be worth it is if the robot can take a room full of toys and return everything back to where it belongs. Kind of like a one click, reset this room. If it can help me keep organized and clea…

Or you could teach your kids to clean up their toys themselves. Make it a fun game for example. Set an example by putting away your own groceries as soon as you put them in the kitchen. Boom 5k saved. Maybe they will grow up to not be the type of person who leaves all of their crap on the table of the university table after they are done studying. To be clear: I am not shifting on you as a parent. I am making fun of…

If you actually had a simple hack that reliably made children clean up after themselves, and could somehow sell it for money without it being instantly pirated, you would make rather more billions of dollars than Aaron Edsinger's robot ever would.
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