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Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

States have been chomping at the bit to end their lockdowns. The fact that cases are spiking again is precisely because states were too eager to end their lockdowns. China had a brutal lockdown early and thanks to that they are now largely back in business. Anti-lockdown sentiment early on is precisely the reason the US has had to prolong its suffering. The reason long lockdowns are happening is because we can’t must…

> had a brutal lockdown early and thanks to that they are now largely back in business Wait, that doesn't make sense - are you saying that they locked down long enough that everybody who had the virus "lost it" (either by getting healthy or dying)? That doesn't sound very plausible given what we know about epidemiology. The lockdown was sold here as a way to "flatten the curve": everybody who would have gotten it wil…

The point of flattening the curve is keeping the curve flat. No one anywhere has eradicated the virus, but through the strict initial lockdown plus constant vigilance on part of both the government and the individuals they can keep the curve flat and stop it from going exponential.

The problem is that once we flattened the curve, we decided to go hogwild, masks off, open up everything and now we get to pay the price for that.

Texas is a great example of that where our state government behaved like absolute jackoffs and now we're seeing a massive amount of new cases and increased pressure on hospitals. But people assumed that 'we're far below capacity! the lockdown is pointless!' as if the lockdown wasn't the reason for that in the first place.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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The same is happening in Canada, it's because addicts are able to get money from the government and they buy far more drugs than they're used to having. Edit: all the people downvoting me, why? not a single comment seriously, this isn't a theory, it's just the facts https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cerb-pandemic-opioid-addict...

I've suspected it's the same and this is an extremely hard conversation to have.

If Trudeau says 'he will take care of Canadians', how can anyone argue against that? He's a hero, he's sending out $2000 to anyone with a social insurance number, based on the honour system. In practice, people began gaming it from day one, started groups telling each other how to game it, and soon the disconnect between CERB applicants and actual newly unemployed was in the millions.

If you pass a policy that gets money in to the hands of Canadians, great, however, surely there should be some restrictions for those who can't handle any sort of money over $100 for their own health. Give a hard addict more than $100, and in a night they'll overdose. Give them, people skirting the line with full blown addiction, $2000, along with a border shutdown limiting supply and you have a recipe for a drug crisis.

Unintended consequences are important to acknowledge too, and this I think is too hard to talk about, because how can you argue with someone who is just trying to take care of Canadians?

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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I'm cynical enough at this point to wonder whether the states will add these terrible losses to the COVID-19-related statistics to advocate for stricter and longer lock-downs.

States have been chomping at the bit to end their lockdowns. The fact that cases are spiking again is precisely because states were too eager to end their lockdowns. China had a brutal lockdown early and thanks to that they are now largely back in business. Anti-lockdown sentiment early on is precisely the reason the US has had to prolong its suffering. The reason long lockdowns are happening is because we can’t must…

The lockdowns in China were indeed brutal, and involved a use of force that simply would not be acceptable in the U.S. But even there, there's evidence it was much more severe than the officials let on, and there was a rebound after reopening. They are very secretive about it though.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #12

I'm cynical enough at this point to wonder whether the states will add these terrible losses to the COVID-19-related statistics to advocate for stricter and longer lock-downs.

States have been chomping at the bit to end their lockdowns. The fact that cases are spiking again is precisely because states were too eager to end their lockdowns. China had a brutal lockdown early and thanks to that they are now largely back in business. Anti-lockdown sentiment early on is precisely the reason the US has had to prolong its suffering. The reason long lockdowns are happening is because we can’t must…

Let's not forget the massive protests. No matter if you agree with them or not. Thousands of people together on the streets with no security distance between them makes things worse.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Hardly a surprise, I'm sure suicide rates and alcohol consumption are going up as well. It's a combination of loneliness, lack of supervision (can't find a better word, I mean someone who could help in case of an overdose), despair about the future. This pandemic is unprecedented for the modern people, many don't have the means to deal with it psychologically.

> I'm sure suicide rates and alcohol consumption are going up as well.

Many of these overdoses surely are suicides.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #14

There are more and more reasons to open back the economy. Does it make sense to keep stalling? Most likely some people will avoid the infection this way, but at what cost to others.

Texas is rapidly running out of capacity to treat patients. You're saying it's a good idea to 'open back the economy' knowing this?

[1] https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/coronavirus-texas-ho...

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

States have been chomping at the bit to end their lockdowns. The fact that cases are spiking again is precisely because states were too eager to end their lockdowns. China had a brutal lockdown early and thanks to that they are now largely back in business. Anti-lockdown sentiment early on is precisely the reason the US has had to prolong its suffering. The reason long lockdowns are happening is because we can’t must…

Deaths are still on the way down in Georgia, one of the earliest states to re-open: https://ga-covid19.ondemand.sas.com/ I would say, excessive lockdowns are not effective at fighting the virus. You win a short term victory at the cost of your long term future. You can kick the can down the road, but as soon as you re-open, if you haven't achieved herd immunity, the virus will spike again. That's going to happen to a…

Deaths are down in GA, but cases are on the rise which means that deaths will probably start rising again over the next 2 weeks. They've had 3500 new cases just today.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Back when this started I made the claim that the long term consequences of lock down would exceed the short term benefits . Depression, Drugs overdose, murder (despair), Suicide, extra sedentary issues leading to diabetese/CVD, loss of jobs/meaning et al. I havent seen anyone do the math of the uptick there to talk about the marginal benefit of lockdown or the fact that this, once again, is a form of biased benefit f…

There are medical consequences to the lockdown also. Things like all the cancer screenings that didn't happen because people weren't going to the doctor. And the people who died from heart attacks because they were afraid to go to the ER.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #8

I remember talking to a technically minded friend about my clinical depression, and I remember how she mentioned building an app to help solve it. I remember thinking at the time how sometimes building an app isn't the solution to a problem. Sometimes the best solutions are the simplest, most straightforward, and the least innovative ones: voting in policymakers who craft empathetic public policy, donating to charity…

> I remember thinking at the time how sometimes building an app isn't the solution to a problem.

> Sometimes the best solutions are the simplest...

I agreed with your reasoning and logic but not your conclusion.

And while I'm a proponent of UBI, and to an extent Andrew Yang's platform, simply voting someone in doesn't solve the many pitfalls of the Human Condition. Which includes, but is not limited to, finding value and self-wroth from one's achievements and work in Society and in Daily Life.

Nothing stops you from going and planting a community garden, or if that's not available in your area guerilla gardening, or volunteering in several capacities. Even taking up hobbies you may have put off is a very good use of time. Or launching a side gig that can teach you new skills in a otherwise neglected facet of your Life.

I personally went back to school in Jan as a plan B to my pursuit to go to SpaceX, as I have been out of Supply Chain since 2017 when I left BMW and VW, and that has kept me pretty engaged. On top of that I also have neglected off-road project I needed to do some much needed maintenance on after driving through the 3ft+ of snow, so while my normal social-life has completely gone away (and I feel it, although they did temporarily open the clubs last week for 2 nights, only to re-close this weeks events) I'm still pretty engaged with my old team as well as have school and cars to keep me engaged--honestly, this feels too much like HS for my taste.

In short: Public Policy can and should address many things, like de-funding and de-militarizing the police to focus on community outreach, but it cannot overcome the many perils of being Human. We need to feel engaged in our Community and within ourselves, and I think very few people have adjusted to that well, as most of Civilization has been built on overcoming the (in)convenience of Life and left very little room for self-reflection.

Sidenote: I've been chef for the past years after leaving Tech, and the way restaurants operate now is completely odd and not at all appealing to me for in-room dining; I went with some friends and it's not at all pleasant, and they let us take off our masks at the table/bar area we were sat at. I don't foresee myself going on dinner dates at a resteraunt anytime soon. Its good for a take out deal and walk somewhere or go home, but I can cook, so the ambiance is really the only thing I pay for.

> That's a hilarious sort of tech delusion that people make fun of

Honestly, that seemed like something Mike Judge wrote if we had a new season of COVID based Silicon Valley, I can see the main character pitching something like:

Pied Piper now has a mood optimizer attached to your VR headset and relies on real-time data acquisition gathered from your fitbit to adjust the visuals to fit your Lifestyle!

I'm glad I left the Valley when I did. The collective mind-set there is not just delusional, its outright absurd and perhaps even dangerous. Having so many people unable to do even basic tasks outside of their controlled environment/World is a disaster waiting to happen.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to the crazy twisted things coming out of Charlie Brooker's head right now for Black Mirror. I have a fan-art script I have been working on/off for years that probably would go really well in this social distancing era as it was about the emergence of people like this, and oddly enough I started writing it only months before this article came out in 2014:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eating-in-front-of-webcam-sou...

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #43
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

States have been chomping at the bit to end their lockdowns. The fact that cases are spiking again is precisely because states were too eager to end their lockdowns. China had a brutal lockdown early and thanks to that they are now largely back in business. Anti-lockdown sentiment early on is precisely the reason the US has had to prolong its suffering. The reason long lockdowns are happening is because we can’t must…

The lockdowns in China were indeed brutal, and involved a use of force that simply would not be acceptable in the U.S. But even there, there's evidence it was much more severe than the officials let on, and there was a rebound after reopening. They are very secretive about it though.

It doesn’t have to be China-style brutal. It can also be strict and effective, like what was done in much of Europe.

With a competent western-style government you can have great results. See New Zealand. What matters is not how authoritarian the country is, but how seriously the lockdown is taken.

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