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Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by noworriesnate »

diego_moita wrote: post #32

There is a reason why we're seeing the rise of the autocrats (Erdogan, Putin, Jiping, Orban, Bolsonaro, Trump, Duterte, Kaczyński, ...): it is because openness and democracy triumphed before. And it won because previous autocrats failed. Edit: my point is: starting in the late 70's, authoritarian regimes failed miserably before all over the world, therefore there's no reason to believe they'll succeed thist time. Rem…

> it is because openness and democracy triumphed before

How do you think openness and democracy triumphing cause the rise of autocrats? Are you referring to Plato's five regimes theory, where each type of government degenerates into a different government, in a cycle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_five_regimes

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by lovich »

controversy wrote: post #35

The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…

>Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas

What an amazing way to phrase "others don't like what I am saying and don't want to associate with me". The government controlling social media platforms is vastly different from a collection of companies controlling social media platforms that they built.

There's an argument that can be made about companies needing to treat their platforms as public squares depending on if they get certain protections or subsidies from the government, but as it stands its currently their property and you don't have a right to force others to broadcast your opinions

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by new2628 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #39
controversy wrote: post #35

The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…

At least I can says something against Trump or even the government and my posts will probably not be deleted. Free press and speech doesn’t mean everyone gets equal speaking time, just that the government is very limited in how it can interfere. It is just a restriction on government power, really. And yes, this restriction on government power is much better than what they have in China, Turkey, etc... it is actually…

Can you say something _for_ Trump or the government though? Your posts will not be deleted, but likely downvoted into invisibility.

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by new2628 »

zaarn wrote: post #18
haunter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing. Just like how Poland and Hungary are EU members and they are walking their own way not giving a f about anything, rewriting the constitutions and laws as they wish

They are because being kicked out of the EU requires unanimous vote and hungary and poland just veto eachother into the EU. Nobody expected two states to become fascist at the same time when the EU was created.

This kind of exaggeration surely doesn't help the cause either.

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by m_a_g »

hyko wrote: post #25
briefcomment wrote: post #24

In a dictatorship, cracking down on social media is a no brainer. But I think social media undermines democracies as well. Social media vastly amplifies loud minorities. Democracy assumes that the majority of people are reasonable, so majority rule will also be reasonable. Loud minorities undermine majority rule. Loud minorities have always existed, but social media is now amplifying them to the point of obscuring wh…

But Turkey is not a democracy?

Turkey has been a democracy for almost a century now.

However, it all comes down to this, what happens when people of a democratic country elect a president that has totalitarian tendencies?

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by michaelmarion »

whatshisface wrote: post #40
controversy wrote: post #35

The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…

Personally I have found that on HN there is more of a dictatorship of phrasing than a dictatorship of ideas. Here's the short list of ideas you can't say on HN no matter how you phrase them, I think you would agree that this is not excessive: - "Individuals of one race are better or worse than individuals of another." - "One gender is clearly better or worse than another." - Anything about Republicans or Democrats Th…

Spaces versus tabs? /s

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by luckylion »

lowdose wrote: post #14
bitcharmer wrote: post #6

I wonder what some mid- to long-term consequences of Turkey slipping into dictatorship will be for NATO as a whole. It's clear Turkey is drifting away from the values held by the alliance members. I'm so glad they haven't been accepted into the EU. That would be a disaster.

> I'm so glad they haven't been accepted into the EU. That would be a disaster. At that time though Turkey would have been a real welcome growth addition to the EU. 2005 +9% growth, the year the EU opened accession negotiations with Turkey. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union%E2%80%93Turke...

Growth is irrelevant unless you're a net-contributor. The EU really doesn't need more underdeveloped economies to support, it needs to get everybody to a similar level and deal with the tax havens, not do some SV-hypergrowth model where the issues will magically resolve themselves if only you can have 15% population growth by acquiring more members.

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by catalogia »

new2628 wrote: post #43
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least I can says something against Trump or even the government and my posts will probably not be deleted. Free press and speech doesn’t mean everyone gets equal speaking time, just that the government is very limited in how it can interfere. It is just a restriction on government power, really. And yes, this restriction on government power is much better than what they have in China, Turkey, etc... it is actually…

Can you say something _for_ Trump or the government though? Your posts will not be deleted, but likely downvoted into invisibility.

To be frank anti-government censorship concerns me less than pro-government censorship, due to the various asymmetries inherent to the concept of government (e.g. the government operates prisons while those who oppose the government do not.)

To be clear, I don't think it's productive. But neither does it make me fearful in the same sort of way.

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by kanox »

lovich wrote: post #42
controversy wrote: post #35

The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…

>Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas What an amazing way to phrase "others don't like what I am saying and don't want to associate with me". The government controlling social media platforms is vastly different from a collection of companies controlling social media platforms that they built. There's an argument that can be made about companies needing to treat their platforms as public squares depending on if…

> The government controlling social media platforms is vastly different from a collection of companies controlling social media platforms that they built.

The difference is not particularly significant.

Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says

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Post by kebman »

whatshisface wrote: post #40
controversy wrote: post #35

The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…

Personally I have found that on HN there is more of a dictatorship of phrasing than a dictatorship of ideas. Here's the short list of ideas you can't say on HN no matter how you phrase them, I think you would agree that this is not excessive: - "Individuals of one race are better or worse than individuals of another." - "One gender is clearly better or worse than another." - Anything about Republicans or Democrats Th…

I'm actually amazed that there was a somewhat troll-free discussion about the protests and riots going on in the USA (and the West) right now. I think this is a giant kudos to HN. It's just a great feeling that we can disagree, but in a polite manner. Thank you for this HN! This is the basis of democracy!
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