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Alphabet-owned Verily suspended spot bonuses to fund diversity initiatives
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Re: Alphabet-owned Verily suspended spot bonuses to fund diversity initiatives
#42The ultimate aim of these diversity projects is to lower labor costs - either by psychologically manipulating people into accepting lower wages, by focusing on conflict and alignment along racial lines instead of class lines, or simply to expand the available pool of workers.
Very hot take. I couldn't disagree more. The ultimate aim of these diversity projects is to help members of disenfranchised communities find meaningful employment at good companies. This both strengthens the product and makes the company more attractive - implemented correctly, it can be come a powerful flywheel of benefits. Implemented incorrectly, and it can sink morale without actually empowering, supporting, or h…
African Americans and Hispanics are hired at lower rates into the IT sector because they have poorer outcomes in school, particularly for mathematics.
How does racially-biased hiring address that other than just placing unproductive workers into roles they are not qualified for, with flow-on negative impacts to the rest of the company and society?
Why is it that migrants from poor countries like Ghana, Nigeria outperform African Americans, when those migrants have no connections or local advantages?
It would seem to me that there are fundamental cultural problems in some ethnic groups in the US (eg. father absence, 'acting white' meme) that if addressed would actually yield improvements. Deciding not to hire White or Asian workers at Google does not - instead it diminishes the achievement or any Black or Hispanic worker who was hired based on their actual capability instead of just their skin color.
Re: Alphabet-owned Verily suspended spot bonuses to fund diversity initiatives
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very hot take. I couldn't disagree more. The ultimate aim of these diversity projects is to help members of disenfranchised communities find meaningful employment at good companies. This both strengthens the product and makes the company more attractive - implemented correctly, it can be come a powerful flywheel of benefits. Implemented incorrectly, and it can sink morale without actually empowering, supporting, or h…
African Americans and Hispanics are hired at lower rates into the IT sector because they have poorer outcomes in school, particularly for mathematics. How does racially-biased hiring address that other than just placing unproductive workers into roles they are not qualified for, with flow-on negative impacts to the rest of the company and society? Why is it that migrants from poor countries like Ghana, Nigeria outper…
Please provided sources for all your claims, then we can talk :)
Re: Alphabet-owned Verily suspended spot bonuses to fund diversity initiatives
#44Couldn’t the employees decide what they wanted to do with their money?
Silence is consent. And not a single person at Verily would be foolish enough to voice their disagreement on this issue. I hope yearly bonuses are next. Putting your money where you mouth is, as it were. The hypocrisy of Google with its 4% black workforce seems pretty staggering to me.
Just to state the obvious: silence very much is not consent.
Re: Alphabet-owned Verily suspended spot bonuses to fund diversity initiatives
#45The ultimate aim of these diversity projects is to lower labor costs - either by psychologically manipulating people into accepting lower wages, by focusing on conflict and alignment along racial lines instead of class lines, or simply to expand the available pool of workers.
It seems like the main effect has been to surface all the racists who come out in opposition. Programs like these are highly efficient at that.
I've had a similar thought about really extreme "social justice warrior" stuff: I've seen it as a kind of unintentional troll that has worked to surface all the racism latent in the culture.
Yes, I do think a good number if "pomo" types and really extreme SJWs are nuts. No, there is nothing these people could say or do that would cause me to embrace Hitlerism, neo-monarchism, race nationalism, or any of the rest of this ludicrous nonsense. One thing being nuts does not make it reasonable to embrace other things that are nuts.
I see the fact that some non-trivial number of people have embraced these kinds of ideologies "in reaction" against SJW ideology as evidence that they were always latent racists and fascists to begin with. Either that or they're lazy thinkers who are easily provoked/trolled into taking irrational reactive positions. Either way the people who have jumped on these bandwagons have failed some kind of test: either a test for the decency of their beliefs or an IQ test.
Re: Alphabet-owned Verily suspended spot bonuses to fund diversity initiatives
#46Couldn’t the employees decide what they wanted to do with their money?
Silence is consent. And not a single person at Verily would be foolish enough to voice their disagreement on this issue. I hope yearly bonuses are next. Putting your money where you mouth is, as it were. The hypocrisy of Google with its 4% black workforce seems pretty staggering to me.
The composition of the NBA is staggeringly disproportionate relative to the overall population. That's a problem, too, right?
Re: Alphabet-owned Verily suspended spot bonuses to fund diversity initiatives
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Silence is consent. And not a single person at Verily would be foolish enough to voice their disagreement on this issue. I hope yearly bonuses are next. Putting your money where you mouth is, as it were. The hypocrisy of Google with its 4% black workforce seems pretty staggering to me.
The composition of the NBA is staggeringly disproportionate relative to the overall population. That's a problem, too, right?
> The composition of the NBA is staggeringly disproportionate relative to the overall population. That's a problem, too, right?
Yes, and it's a symptom of the lack of opportunity for blacks. Why are blacks far more likely to make the necessary investment of time directed at that end with the extremely low probability that it pays off? Because they are far less likely than Whites to have much other opportunity that they are sacrificing to do that.