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Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by rorykoehler »

I’ve got a new sign in flow I’ll be using for all my indie apps. It solves 2 problems I have with Apple.

1) no PWA support for notifications

2) forcing stuff like this on everyone

I use a telegram chat bot. After signing up via the bot that sends you a link to set your password, you then also request a short expiry sign in link everytime you wish to sign in. The chatbot doubles as a notifications channel. I’m thinking of enhancing notifications do you can interact with them directly from the chatbot interface too.

The signin flow is great as it has 2fa built in by default.

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by lifty »

philistine wrote: post #22
czzr wrote: post #5

Buries the lede. They’ve chosen to drop support for Facebook login rather than also support Apple login. So working as intended!

Bingo ! This is Apple’s really hard bargain here. Implement us or get rid of all the other garbage sign-in.

I love it. With password managers becoming better and by owning your domain, it almost feels like a self-sovereign identity system. It would be great if services would implement better support for browser form auto-fill, and ask the minimum amount of information during signup. That way it would be very little hassle to signup for a service.

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by stickfigure »

djrogers wrote: post #16
stickfigure wrote: post #8

If you implement Sign In With Apple, you don't have a relationship with your customers anymore. They're Apple's customers, and Apple can take them away at any time.

How is that different from FB/Google's login services? The only apps that are required to support Sign in with Apple are those that also support FB/G/etc sign in, so those companies have already chosen a path...

Google provides an email address. You could replace your Google auth with password auth in an afternoon just by adding a "forgot your password" link.

Facebook auth used to provide an email address, but it's been almost a decade since I last used their APIs so I don't know if that has changed.

Apple's "provide an anonymous email address" inserts them between you and your customer.

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by lorenzhs »

muro wrote: post #18
djrogers wrote: post #4

This makes perfect sense from their standpoint - especially since they've had similar problems to what they outline with Facebook sign-in and are now dropping that as well. This is also a win for Apple & end-user privacy, as there's one less app using FB's login feature now. I think Sign in with Apple is a great step forward even if all it does is eliminate apps that require Facebook and/or Google accounts to log in.…

I've never seen an app that required a FB or Google login. It was always possible to use email+password.

Many (> 5-ish?) years ago, Spotify required Facebook login

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by duxup »

no_wizard wrote: post #12

A lot of the points they make here are real points, and I think AnyList has validity in their actions. I also think it’s not as unmanageable as it seems. Let’s analyze this quote, from the article, as it highlights what I imagine are a big crux of this issue: > with the “Hide My Email” option, your spouse or friends obviously won’t know your privaterelay.appleid.com email address, so when they enter your email addres…

I wonder if Apple would be ok with asking them to give up their email?

Apple clearly likes the idea of the hide option... personally I would expect a less than positive reception from Apple.

I get where both AnyList (if they asked) and Apple (if they didn't like it) would be coming from here.

It does seem to be a shortcoming here where outside of a user one time sign up situation... you don't want to have to burden the user with coming up with silly names and codes to use social like features that require someone else knowing an identifier for you that isn't email.

I don't want to go back to a time where we have to remember / pass along everyone's ICQ number. ...

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by mrlatinos »

guessmyname wrote: post #35
czzr wrote: post #5

Buries the lede. They’ve chosen to drop support for Facebook login rather than also support Apple login. So working as intended!

Either the changes are only for the mobile app or they forgot to remove Facebook Sign In in the web [1][2]. [1] https://www.anylist.com/auth/sign-in [2] https://i.imgur.com/3uC0E9G.png

From the OP: "You can expect to see an AnyList app update soon that removes Facebook Login."

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

muro wrote: post #18
djrogers wrote: post #4

This makes perfect sense from their standpoint - especially since they've had similar problems to what they outline with Facebook sign-in and are now dropping that as well. This is also a win for Apple & end-user privacy, as there's one less app using FB's login feature now. I think Sign in with Apple is a great step forward even if all it does is eliminate apps that require Facebook and/or Google accounts to log in.…

I've never seen an app that required a FB or Google login. It was always possible to use email+password.

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Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by lowmemcpu »

> One problem is that most Apple IDs are tied to an iCloud email address. So most accounts created via Sign in with Apple will use an iCloud email address. But many of those iCloud email addresses are unused and unchecked, because a customer’s “real” email account is their Gmail, Yahoo, or Hotmail account.

Wow, this is a really good point. I just checked and yup -- my AppleID is directly linked to my icloud email, and I've never once checked my icloud email account. I wonder what's in there. Meh, too lazy to go check it

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

muro wrote: post #18
djrogers wrote: post #4

This makes perfect sense from their standpoint - especially since they've had similar problems to what they outline with Facebook sign-in and are now dropping that as well. This is also a win for Apple & end-user privacy, as there's one less app using FB's login feature now. I think Sign in with Apple is a great step forward even if all it does is eliminate apps that require Facebook and/or Google accounts to log in.…

I've never seen an app that required a FB or Google login. It was always possible to use email+password.

Tinder’s.

Their whole point was that you could be confident the people were real because they were tied to a real Facebook account.

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by mulmen »

muro wrote: post #18
djrogers wrote: post #4

This makes perfect sense from their standpoint - especially since they've had similar problems to what they outline with Facebook sign-in and are now dropping that as well. This is also a win for Apple & end-user privacy, as there's one less app using FB's login feature now. I think Sign in with Apple is a great step forward even if all it does is eliminate apps that require Facebook and/or Google accounts to log in.…

I've never seen an app that required a FB or Google login. It was always possible to use email+password.

For a time I believe Spotify required a FB login. I recall not using it early on because I couldn’t create an account without connecting it to FB.
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