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YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

adapt or be left out

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

He carried the momentum of the 2016 meme wars and funneled impressionable anti-establishment pro-Trump types. He was much more focused on eternal truths when his channel was philosophically centered, but self-examining one’s own eternal destination does not get many clicks.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#43

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

I dont think people would have flocked to these platforms if they'd known that they'd be banned for politically incorrect speech down the road.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

Yes, I don't remember Stefan Molyneux saying anything racist. Can someone share an example?

"It did strike me that this relentless propaganda for “white women with black men“ would serve to lower the average IQ of the offspring.

You don’t see nearly as much “white women with East Asian men,” whose offspring would tend to have higher IQs on average.

Hmmm..."

- https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/107731491210229760...

"If I believed in the toxic racist lie of “white privilege,” I wouldn’t have worked so damn hard to succeed.

I would’ve just waited for my racial dividends to pour in and make me successful without having to lift a finger.

“Privilege” is hard work and providing value.

Try it."

- https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/127693246131906969...

"WOMEN!

STOP taking vain pride in the fact that men want to have sex with you.

You didn’t personally earn those hormones.

Stop pilllaging evolution designed for pair-bonding for petty self-regard."

- https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/127673601190155878...

"Ladies vote you into socialism.

Men have to fight their way out."

- https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/127659441227816141...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#45
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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

The fact that it all happened on the same day does imply some kind of coordination though.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#46

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I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Molyneux, precisely, does not advocate specifically for a white ethnostate where Spencer does. However, Molyneux doesn't oppose one on principle, which for most is too close for comfort so he gets branded as one. I understand for many that is evidence of guilt but logically speaking that's not the same thing.

That's missing the forest for the trees... advocating for a "white ethnostate" is not the only thing that makes you a white supremacist and that's the real crux of the comparison. Making the distinction doesn't change the fact that he is rightfully lumped in with them on the basis of being a white supremacist. There is more nuance to Molyneux than David Duke, but he's made his views on the subject pretty clear.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Yes, I don't remember Stefan Molyneux saying anything racist. Can someone share an example?

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux

Wow that guy's an idiot. He actually claims the Iraq War was a failure because Iraqis have IQs in the 80s and are therefore incapable of accepting democracy.

Racism aside, if you've done even a bit of reading on IQ you know it's been rising for decades if not longer. His Jeffersonian Democracy was built by people with an IQ that would be in the 80s today.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#48

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

The principle of free speech is older than the United States government.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#49

Strange coincidence, considering what happened on reddit earlier

There is safety in numbers, they can argue that reddit did it as well (either in court or somewhere else)

It makes the 'we take our rules seriously' talk look stupid - they only took action because someone else did first

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The primary purpose of feminism is to lower white birthrates." - https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/118100374698304307... "If we had been allowed to talk about race and IQ, the invasion of Iraq would never have occurred, because no one would have been under the illusion that a Jeffersonian Republic was going to emerge from a population with an IQ in the 80s. Opposing science got >500k people killed." - https:…

Your argument is incomplete. I don't dispute that he said those things but what do you claim is the similarity to Spencer or Duke?

Yeah, they're both very racist, to the level of supposing that that white society is inherently superior. The first quote implies a the existence of a conspiracy to lower white birthrates. The second states clearly that Iraqi people would not be capable of forming a just society due to "low IQ". These are definitionally white supremacist talking points.

EDIT: spelling

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