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The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Post by m_mueller »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #15
redis_mlc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, just checked the data on the Santa Clara hospitalizations link - only the number of tests is increasing, not admissions or mortality. Same for months. The press is saying one thing, but the official stats say flat - month after month. I guess newspapers value outrage over public service. You would need a magnifying glass to see anything significant. Only 72 hospitalized patients today (2,278 more available), hi…

Are you serious? You seem dangerously self-absorbed and misinformed. Your original comment referred to CALIFORNIA. Now you are arguing about Santa Clara hospitalizations (a very lagging indicator), which is many levels different from your original (and incredibly incorrect) point.

As always with the types of people who are in denial about environmental risks: They are constantly moving the goal posts when you try to argue with them. Not a psychologist but I think this is some sort of defense mechanism of the brain.

Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Post by redis_mlc »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #14
redis_mlc wrote: post #2

Still flat in Calif., same for months.

What information vacuum do you live in that makes you think that your statement is true?

The official Santa Clara stats, as linked above, which represents 4 million people, most of NorCal.

That's right - 72 people hospitalized for corona for 4 million people. What crisis?

What are you reading?

Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Post by redis_mlc »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #15
redis_mlc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, just checked the data on the Santa Clara hospitalizations link - only the number of tests is increasing, not admissions or mortality. Same for months. The press is saying one thing, but the official stats say flat - month after month. I guess newspapers value outrage over public service. You would need a magnifying glass to see anything significant. Only 72 hospitalized patients today (2,278 more available), hi…

Are you serious? You seem dangerously self-absorbed and misinformed. Your original comment referred to CALIFORNIA. Now you are arguing about Santa Clara hospitalizations (a very lagging indicator), which is many levels different from your original (and incredibly incorrect) point.

Santa Clara plus SF is 4 million people, and represents most of NorCal.

If what I said is incorrect, why don't you provide some actual data?

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Post by averros »

ketanmaheshwari wrote: post #6
vondur wrote: post #3

They don’t mention hospitalization or deaths. Those are the two to keep track of. I’m guessing far more people are getting tested than previously, hence the larger numbers.

The deaths are increasing too. 2500+ people passed away yesterday (June 25) in the US.

The deaths ATTRIBUTED to COVID-19. Not necessarily deaths FROM it. The difference is huge, as vast majority of people reported as died from COVID-19 were, in fact, seriously ill already, so the viral infection was a minor factor (or a last straw).

Considering that hospitals have financial incentives to attribute deaths to COVID-19 thanks to the government largesse, it is not surprising that all these ambiguous cases are reported as COVID-19 deaths now. For all other illnesses the standards for reporting are quite different.

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Post by fallingfrog »

I really don’t understand why we’re not doing full contract tracing right now, especially in for example my state where there are only 50 new cases a day. Are we really going to wait till it’s 5000 to do something? It’s like there’s just literally nobody in a position of power with any initiative whatsoever.

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Post by rsynnott »

fallingfrog wrote: post #46

I really don’t understand why we’re not doing full contract tracing right now, especially in for example my state where there are only 50 new cases a day. Are we really going to wait till it’s 5000 to do something? It’s like there’s just literally nobody in a position of power with any initiative whatsoever.

Are they really not doing contact tracing? In this country we've been contact tracing all cases since they fell to manageable numbers. It's expensive, but not all _that_ expensive in the scheme of things.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #15
redis_mlc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, just checked the data on the Santa Clara hospitalizations link - only the number of tests is increasing, not admissions or mortality. Same for months. The press is saying one thing, but the official stats say flat - month after month. I guess newspapers value outrage over public service. You would need a magnifying glass to see anything significant. Only 72 hospitalized patients today (2,278 more available), hi…

Are you serious? You seem dangerously self-absorbed and misinformed. Your original comment referred to CALIFORNIA. Now you are arguing about Santa Clara hospitalizations (a very lagging indicator), which is many levels different from your original (and incredibly incorrect) point.

I'll just put the data in front of you and let you decide:

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en/test

Go to the chart for California. Percent positive tests and hospitalizations are the most important factors here. Hospitalizations have gone up, undoubtedly (from 4,500 to now almost 6,000). That said, percent positive tests has remained flat. Deaths in CA also continue to trend down.

What conclusion do you draw from that? To me, it appears that the concentration of Covid in the population of California has not increased. At the same time, there are more hospitalizations. Perhaps Covid is not getting worse in CA, but more people are finding out that they have it due to increased testing and are then going to the hospital out of an abundance of caution.

As an aside, you and the guy you're replying to are obviously extremely emotional about this. Learn to recognize that and realize that if you're feeling emotional when looking at data, some part of your brain cares way too much to remain objective. Both of you are clearly biased.

Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Post by hcknwscommenter »

redis_mlc wrote: post #37
hcknwscommenter wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person you are approvingly replying to is overconfident and wrong.

I gave you the official stats link. I check it twice per week, including today. Wrong how? Or do you mean, "not-SJW enough for my taste"?

Wrong how you ask? Wrong in the way that hospitalizations in SANTA CLARA only are a woefully inappropriate way to "support" your original contention that CASES in CALIFORNIA were flat.
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