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Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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Post by lukevp »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #26
amrrs wrote: post #4

Idk,I actually don't understand the obsession of many with Tech Stack or predicting the doom of a language. Because Facebook uses PHP for their service, Would you still use PHP? A lot of people despise PHP. But there's PH maker Mubs, most of his indie products LAMP stack. The main lesson I get from any of these is that pick the one that you're comfortable with and deliver the project than looking for what's the best…

Yeah, tech stacks are important, but which one is right is so dependent on the specifics of a given project, which is what most of these tech-stack-hype conversations ignore. My small company pays out the ears in so many different ways to run our Python service, but we picked it because certain big companies can use Python at much larger scale than ours. Of course, those companies are mostly just doing CRUD operation…

If you’re interested in talking through this and are considering C#, you’re welcome to email me and bounce around some ideas. I have a lot of experience in both Python and C# and may be able to help!

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#42

Post by cwhiz »

epoch_100 wrote: post #17

What I think is even more significant than Hey’s backend stack is its _frontend_ stack. There’s no complex JavaScript framework; it’s all server side rendered HTML with a few touches of lightweight JS (mostly Turbolinks and StimulusJS, afaik) on the client to add basic interactivity. And it feels just as fast—if not faster—than any other modern, well-built web app. It goes to show that libraries like React and Vue ar…

I would call the Hey UI and UX straight out of 2007. Opening an email requires a page reload.

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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Post by sradman »

243 character original DHH Tweet:

> The HEY stack:

- Vanilla Ruby on Rails on the backend, running on edge

- Stimulus, Turbolinks, Trix + NEW MAGIC on the front end

- MySQL for DB (Vitess for sharding)

- Redis for short-lived data + caching

- ElasticSearch for indexing

- AWS/K8S

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#44

Post by jonny_eh »

maxdo wrote: post #35

Good retro old-fashion ruby stack from d̶i̶n̶o̶s̶a̶u̶r̶s veterans. Nice :) No fancy magic. Went to check some of their stack on github and some component describe IE5 hacks. Kind of awkward to see how they trying to create a PR driven fight with Apple for obvious reason. "From creators of basecamp" sounds like anti-motivation to use product. They were first infomarketing company. Eventually they lost all the competit…

> No fancy magic

As an aside, I wish we could avoid undescriptive ad hominems like "magic" and "hacks" when talking about technology. There's pros and cons to any technology choice, but "magic" isn't one of them.

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#45

Post by throwaway894345 »

lukevp wrote: post #41
throwaway894345 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, tech stacks are important, but which one is right is so dependent on the specifics of a given project, which is what most of these tech-stack-hype conversations ignore. My small company pays out the ears in so many different ways to run our Python service, but we picked it because certain big companies can use Python at much larger scale than ours. Of course, those companies are mostly just doing CRUD operation…

If you’re interested in talking through this and are considering C#, you’re welcome to email me and bounce around some ideas. I have a lot of experience in both Python and C# and may be able to help!

We’re sadly not considering a change to our application language. Thanks though. :)

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#46

Post by deltron3030 »

trcollinson wrote: post #29
deltron3030 wrote: post #16

Was AWS unavoidable?

I think DHH is just pointing out what "HEY" runs on ( https://hey.com/ ) But AWS is really pleasant to use in most cases. Especially for anything more than a trivial application.

It seems like they provide the most bang for the buck.

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#47

Post by trcollinson »

maxdo wrote: post #35

Good retro old-fashion ruby stack from d̶i̶n̶o̶s̶a̶u̶r̶s veterans. Nice :) No fancy magic. Went to check some of their stack on github and some component describe IE5 hacks. Kind of awkward to see how they trying to create a PR driven fight with Apple for obvious reason. "From creators of basecamp" sounds like anti-motivation to use product. They were first infomarketing company. Eventually they lost all the competit…

Basecamp is a very popular product, and they make a lot of money on it. I am not sure what the particular issue is. What point are you attempting to make?

Also, having worked with a lot of startups, they are living the actual dream. They have a product that makes them lots of money. They get to explore business areas and avenues what interest them. What exactly would be the point of IPOing? Have you ever IPOed a company? Do you realize why companies IPO? Or are you just spreading hatred towards startups that don't take capital investments and just make tons of cash?

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#48

Post by jonny_eh »

deltron3030 wrote: post #30
nscalf wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it was just preferred? Why is AWS something to be avoided?

Well, he lashes out against FAANG quite often.

He lashes out anyone that deserves it, I don't think that means he'd never order a package on Amazon or watch a movie on Netflix.

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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Post by ahnick »

cookiecaper wrote: post #5

For more detail see the Gemfile for Hey [0], posted in a follow-up tweet. [1] [0] https://gist.github.com/dhh/782fb925b57450da28c1e15656779556 [1] https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1275917612556226562

Is the "magic" this line here?

> gem 'turbo', github: 'basecamp/turbo'

I get a 404 when trying to access it, so maybe still private till the big reveal?

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#50

Post by Aduket »

cwhiz wrote: post #42
epoch_100 wrote: post #17

What I think is even more significant than Hey’s backend stack is its _frontend_ stack. There’s no complex JavaScript framework; it’s all server side rendered HTML with a few touches of lightweight JS (mostly Turbolinks and StimulusJS, afaik) on the client to add basic interactivity. And it feels just as fast—if not faster—than any other modern, well-built web app. It goes to show that libraries like React and Vue ar…

I would call the Hey UI and UX straight out of 2007. Opening an email requires a page reload.

Are you sure? Turbolinks and stimulus should handle that.

https://stimulusjs.org/handbook/origin

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