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Ask HN: Best Video Call Solution for Elderly

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Re: Ask HN: Best Video Call Solution for Elderly

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I have couple of friends who use Facebook Portal for their non-tech savvy grandparents. Seems like the lack of features (compared to other tablets) make it easier for them to use it. Another thing, it integrates with WhatsApp (a big plus for many!) https://portal.facebook.com/

I use the portal and I like it a lot. I can see why older people would love it too. The UI is simple - large buttons to call each contact and once you're in the call, a red button to end the call. There is a hardware button to disable audio and camera, if necessary. Elderly users don't need to worry about charging because it's plugged in. They don't need to worry about focussing the camera to their face because it does it automatically.

Side note - camera quality is good. I've had multiple friends comment about how my video is much better than the other folks in the call.

Re: Ask HN: Best Video Call Solution for Elderly

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I use a combination of Nextcloud Talk (for 1-on-1 conversations) and Jitsi Meet (for larger groups) with my 82yo mother, she has NC Talk and Jitsi on her phone and tablet and access to both through the browser on her laptop. We use Telegram to schedule meetings through Jitsi Meet or for those cases where NC Talk doesn't notify the called party that someone is calling. It works fine, we use it for ~30 minutes per day, every day.

Re: Ask HN: Best Video Call Solution for Elderly

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When people make suggestions for this they underestimate how complicated their suggestion can be from a UX perspective. Sometimes your user is someone who can't text, longs for the days when a telephone rang and the UX was to simply grip the receiver and put it to their ear. Even a traditional tablet can be a pain because the user has to spend time finding the wake button when it's sometimes styled identically to the…

I agree about physical buttons. I add that sliding is an unfamiliar concept (unlock or answer by sliding is novel) vs tapping (an entire life of pushing buttons.) And flat interfaces are very bad, they don't have any previous experience of things actively trying to hide controls for the sake of... well, I never understood the goal myself but I use them. Anyway, I spent hours explaining to my parents which button does what, if it's press or slide, how to activate the speakers, the camera etc. Every single app has its kwn share of problems. Probably the right device is a pair of old 3G phones with video call and a keyboard. Unfortunately those video calls were quite expensive.

Re: Ask HN: Best Video Call Solution for Elderly

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Somewhat related but I just wanted to brag on my dad:

My dad is a pastor that runs Sunday mornings at a relatively large church. Roughly 600 people on a Sunday morning over a few services; not mega-church, but definitely bigger than the vast majority of Methodist churches. Over time he's become the "technology guy". He's not (or at least wasn't) particularly more competent than most, but wasn't afraid to learn and get his hands dirty, so to speak. Now I would call him plenty sav.

One of his passions is bringing the church to people who can't come to the building. A lot of personal visits to shut ins and hospitals, and recently this meant live streaming. We already had a two camera broadcasting set up, so it was pretty simple to plug it in to the internet (some sort of turn key "send audio and video to this box with an ethernet cable and we"ll stream to everywhere elsed" kinda deals) and off we go.

As an even more aside, I just want to shout out that since the epidemic started he basically started producing 3-4 hours of video each week to live stream.

Anywho, this lead to him asking me how eldery-proof we could make in-home streaming for folks who can't always leave the house, or maybe want to watch VODs if they miss a week or something. I mused that the turn key solution he was using made a few TV streaming options (apps on Fire TV, Roku, Android, etc.) and you could probably set one of those up to start automagically on boot or something.

About two weeks later he calls me up and, to my genuine amazement, has actually come up with a solution. He set up a Roku with a remote that custom app buttons, set up the streaming app (again, this is an app specifically for streaming our church) on one of those buttons, and set the app up in such a way that the first button hops onto the live stream. He even set up pretty good UX studies with a bunch of elderly folks to make sure his instructions were clear!

He ended up getting sponsored for about a hundred of them from a few generous folks around the church and personally set them up in folks homes.

Re: Ask HN: Best Video Call Solution for Elderly

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post #24

When people make suggestions for this they underestimate how complicated their suggestion can be from a UX perspective. Sometimes your user is someone who can't text, longs for the days when a telephone rang and the UX was to simply grip the receiver and put it to their ear. Even a traditional tablet can be a pain because the user has to spend time finding the wake button when it's sometimes styled identically to the…

I keep having this argument with family who keep trying to get my grandmother to move to a smart-phone or tablet.

It's the whole mental model of mapping down all the various functionality that makes this impossible for her.

Just some of the issues that we encountered:

- Holding this small thin device means touching at least part of the glass front. This registers as a touch, and/or activates some kind of other unintended functionality when shifting grips.

- Inconsistent UI - things appear and disappear depending on context. 'Pull down from the top/bottom/etc' just makes no sense.

- Inconsistent response times - a variety of applications require polling some server on the internet, which means waiting for dodgy wifi on crummy DSL to then connect to a server that's the best part of 16,000KM away (Sydney to US-East coast). Too many app developers test only against a server that's either on their machine, or on some close-by staging environment and never bother to see how their app responds (or doesn't) on anything less than an ideal connection.

- Single tap vs long tap vs double tap... They all do different things, and because not every application responds at a consistent rate, she gets frustrated and presses it again, harder (not knowing if it just failed to register the previous touch). Worse, because some apps now 'play' the second tap once the new screen has finished rendering ... well we've now clicked in some other random part of the application.

- Often things are delivered as webpages (or partly so) - and again, with content being loaded asynchronously, the page jumps around, often for quite a while.

- Two fingers pressing against the screen / palm rejection... she'll be tapping with the pointer finger, but the knuckles of another finger, or the palm or wrist will touch the screen... causing all sorts of bizzare behavior. Leads to frustration, leads to tapping repeatedly, see above.

Then there's the issue that every 12-18 months, the UI changes, functionality moves, changes, etc.

At least with some devices, you have a home button that's easily locatable, but then that seems to be dying in favour of soft buttons everywhere too, which means that it's yet another thing that you just have to know it's there, and when it's not.

All these smart devices that only have a touch-screen are a major usability problem.

Re: Ask HN: Best Video Call Solution for Elderly

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Tablet with Kid/Kiosk mode to only allow one app? E.g. iPad with Facetime?

I tried doing that for my family and iOS has this wierd restriction where it drops all incoming calls automatically when you use Kiosk/SingleApp mode. Even if FaceTime is open in foreground.

Oh. Kinda makes sense, but bad restriction in this case.

Re: Ask HN: Best Video Call Solution for Elderly

#50

Somewhat related but I just wanted to brag on my dad: My dad is a pastor that runs Sunday mornings at a relatively large church. Roughly 600 people on a Sunday morning over a few services; not mega-church, but definitely bigger than the vast majority of Methodist churches. Over time he's become the "technology guy". He's not (or at least wasn't) particularly more competent than most, but wasn't afraid to learn and ge…

It occurs to me that a combination of Amazon products might yield a similar outcome by way of the Alexa skills system, albeit at the price of asking someone to talk to their Alexa or TV remote. Your solution sounds a little more straightforward for people unsure of technology.
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