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US Senators ask Apple to pull DUI checkpoint apps

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Re: US Senators ask Apple to pull DUI checkpoint apps

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The quote is taken directly from the article: in fact, it shouldn't even be available

...they stated. When they were "asking" to have the app taken down. Not banning, not legislating. Just asking.

I think that statement includes an implicit threat of possible legislation action if necessary.

Re: US Senators ask Apple to pull DUI checkpoint apps

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> They used to tell me they didn't feel right "baiting" drunk drivers, for instance sitting hidden outside of popular bars and waiting for closing time. They felt like if they observed you driving impaired, you got pulled over, and if you were drunk you got a ticket. To them this was just the right way to act. I can't understand that at all. I would agree if it were a victimless crime, or perhaps if they were actuall…

I think the point is that, instead of camping out and waiting for them to get into their cars so they can ticket them, maybe something more proactive should be done to prevent them from getting in their cars at all. There is, of course, the argument that punishing people that try to drive after drinking too much may get them to change their behavior. Regardless, doing it this way makes one wonder if income from ticke…

I remember when I worked delivering Chinese food, waiting in an intersection to turn left. A police officer was sitting at the light across the street from me. I saw him, turned left and he promptly pulled me over. Turned out there was no left turn at that time of day. I was stunned that he watched me do it and then gave me a ticket rather than warn me, but my care about left turns was much higher because of it. He changed my lifelong behaviour because there was a real consequence (a ticket was very costly to me then at minimum wage). If he'd honked to warn me, I doubt I'd even remember the incident.

About income from tickets vs safety, catching people who are in the act this way is both. It's not like they get the ticket and then let them drive away. When you catch and prevent someone from driving drunk you improve safety as well.

Re: US Senators ask Apple to pull DUI checkpoint apps

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The same reason it would be nice to know if a traffic-stopping car accident occurred: I would use it for shortening commute times. Why should I wait in line to tell an officer that I'm not doing anything illegal when I haven't been doing anything illegal?

Let's just let the officer determine that for himself, shall we? ;)

Whatever. There's been more than one time where I was coming home from work at night and after the commute found a DUI checkpoint stationed on the main road right in front of my street. No way I was going to sit through the bullshit waiting just to "prove my innocence" as you seem to imply we all should.

Just like if it were a major, road-blocking accident, the answer for me (and I'm sure many people who were not sober) was U-turn and reroute. There's no reason why law abiding citizens should have to be inconvenienced by these dubiously effective law enforcement efforts, and if there's a tool based on protected free speech that allows us to avoid them, so much the better. LE can catch drunks in other more effective ways that don't inconvenience the law abiding citizenry.

Re: US Senators ask Apple to pull DUI checkpoint apps

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How much simpler it would be for Apple to simply follow the law instead of trying to devise its own set of rules...

Is the content legal? Then it's available on the app store. Is it illegal? Then it's not.

Does it offend some group or the other? It doesn't matter. Does it cause displeasure to a bunch of lawmakers? Tough luck.

But when Apple starts to pull apps that offend minorities, it has to take all those requests into consideration, and produce justification as to why it pulls this and allows that.

Re: US Senators ask Apple to pull DUI checkpoint apps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote is taken directly from the article: in fact, it shouldn't even be available

...they stated. When they were "asking" to have the app taken down. Not banning, not legislating. Just asking.

'Just asking' is a lot worse than following the legislative process. They are trying to use their influence to accomplish an effectively legislative outcome without oversight. This creates a dangerous gray area between law and intimidation. It's similar to when Visa, Mastercard, etc. were 'just asked' to stop dealing with Wikileaks. In fact, it is common for dictators and totalitarian regimes to rule through 'just asking' instead of law. Not a good precedent.

Re: US Senators ask Apple to pull DUI checkpoint apps

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While I certainly don't condone driving while impaired - I feel like the government trying to outright ban legal technologies that allow citizens to avoid government authority sets a dangerous precedent. this technology should not be promoted to your customers--in fact, it shouldn't even be available. It shouldn't even be available? That sounds sketchy to me. I know slippery slope is a logical fallacy, but if this li…

My local newspaper publishes, at the start of the weekend, the planned locations of DUI checkpoints.

Perhaps my local police and newspaper should also be banned by US Senators.

Re: US Senators ask Apple to pull DUI checkpoint apps

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Really? All these sales are to upstanding citizens wanting to save a traffic stop? Then why isn't the app called "traffic stop"? Its called "Tipsy" or something like that. It covers only DUI traffic stops. Who is this marketing to? Who is buying it? We all know the answer. Yes, its good to protect freedom of speech. Its also good to make the streets safer. And DUI is a real problem, not a strawman.

The average speed trap doesn't affect traffic (unless you happen to be the person pulled over). DUI checkpoints often have miles of stopped cars waiting to go through.

I see what you're saying, but speed traps definitely cause significant bottlenecks in the DC area, probably because of rubbernecking and braking (or the fact that everyone is speeding).
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