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From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

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Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

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post #32

A clever MSFT plan. It motivates the Firefox team to increase the number of releases, so they eventually stop the actual development and realize that the infinite supply of free cakes is easily convertable to cash.

> the infinite supply of free cakes is easily convertable to cash.

Do you think there's a big market for second hand IE branded cakes? ;-)

Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

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post #38
post #36

This is a bit of a naiive question, But what is the business rational behind Microsoft putting so much time and effort into IE? Where is the payback? Is it just so more people have Bing as their default search? Is it just so that Windows ships with a working modern browser as the user expects? If anyone could clear it up for me, Much appreciated =)

You could ask the same of Google and Chrome. An excellent treatise on the topic is discussed in Breaking Windows: How Bill Gates Fumbled the Future of Microsoft , by David Bank. It describes a lot of the tensions that existed inside Microsoft as they tried to figure out how to continue selling Windows as a platform, while still seeing the threat of the web as a platform on the horizon. IE was part of that threat resp…

Interesting point. However it seems like the only way to make big money on the internet is through advertisement and Google has that market locked up. Chrome is just another tool for their social data-mining. I'm sure they keep logs of what searches your IP has made (if you use Google Search), what emails you have read (if you use Gmail) and what websites you visit (through Chrome). If you sign up for any of their services then they can tie a name to an IP and then track what other computers you use (so they will know for instance that a work and home computers belong to the same person). This way they can profile people and then carefully target advertisement towards them.

So then they funny result is that the more people use them the better they get; and the better they get, the more people use them. It's a perpetual motion machine, they feed on their own sucess so it almost seems impossible to catch up with them.

So are you saying that microsoft is trying to replicate this with the Bing, IE, Live/Hotmail ? Clearly that won't be enough. They're gonna need a huge innovative breakthrough to win this battle...

Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

#43
post #32

A clever MSFT plan. It motivates the Firefox team to increase the number of releases, so they eventually stop the actual development and realize that the infinite supply of free cakes is easily convertable to cash.

> the infinite supply of free cakes is easily convertable to cash. Do you think there's a big market for second hand IE branded cakes? ;-)

The market for cheap food is definitely bigger than the browser's market. :-)

EDIT: And if their goal is to deliver the best browser, it would be more efficient to buy GOOG shares with the money extracted from cakes. ;->

Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

#44
post #12

Maybe I'm in a particularly bad mood, but this was a lot cuter the first time. I hate IE so much that maybe I've become sensitive to everything they do (at least I admit that might be the case). It feel condescending to me, especially in light of the many public embarrassment that FF has caused IE (cheating benchmarks for example) and given that if anyone deserves to get something for actually shipping it's the IE te…

I'll not lie; I've grown cold and bitter towards IE over the years... but it's hard not to like this.

Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

#45

Is that the IE3 icon on the cake? Or maybe it's because the cake don't support full-resolution png icing. Anyways, huge improvement over the first one, which was only black and white: http://fredericiana.com/2006/10/24/from-redmond-with-love/

Sounds like Microsoft has never heard of the Carlito's Bakery or Charm City Cakes. Considering M$'s size I think the cake could have been a hell of a lot cooler.

Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

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post #12

Maybe I'm in a particularly bad mood, but this was a lot cuter the first time. I hate IE so much that maybe I've become sensitive to everything they do (at least I admit that might be the case). It feel condescending to me, especially in light of the many public embarrassment that FF has caused IE (cheating benchmarks for example) and given that if anyone deserves to get something for actually shipping it's the IE te…

So, maybe IE isn't a great browser, but it still has actual people working on it. I bet at least one person on the IE team uses Firefox or Chrome in the office for regular browsing.

Think of it this way: The people who work on IE are probably well aware of the areas that need improvement. They might not get to make the decisions about where the work is focused. There may not even be enough effort available to put into major changes. Then there's the issue of backwards compatibility that plagues Microsoft products.

Microsoft is full of really nice people and talented developers. This is a gracious gesture.

Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

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post #38
post #36

This is a bit of a naiive question, But what is the business rational behind Microsoft putting so much time and effort into IE? Where is the payback? Is it just so more people have Bing as their default search? Is it just so that Windows ships with a working modern browser as the user expects? If anyone could clear it up for me, Much appreciated =)

You could ask the same of Google and Chrome. An excellent treatise on the topic is discussed in Breaking Windows: How Bill Gates Fumbled the Future of Microsoft , by David Bank. It describes a lot of the tensions that existed inside Microsoft as they tried to figure out how to continue selling Windows as a platform, while still seeing the threat of the web as a platform on the horizon. IE was part of that threat resp…

Chrome is a thin client for using Google search (their UI has even removed he distinction between typing in URLs and searching Google).

Microsoft is too encumbered by regulation to tie IE in closely with their core product; instead they're compelled to offer "browser choice", compelled to offer a startup wizard to help you set your search engine to Google, and incapable of effectively integrating the browser into products people actually pay money for.

Even if they were capable of developing the sort of product that might be good enough to win market share back from competitors, I'm really not sure what sort of return they'd be getting in their investment in developing and promoting IE, over and above what they'd get bundling some rapidly-developed webkit-based browser with Windows 7 and leaving it at that.

Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

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Is that the IE3 icon on the cake? Or maybe it's because the cake don't support full-resolution png icing. Anyways, huge improvement over the first one, which was only black and white: http://fredericiana.com/2006/10/24/from-redmond-with-love/

Sounds like Microsoft has never heard of the Carlito's Bakery or Charm City Cakes. Considering M$'s size I think the cake could have been a hell of a lot cooler.

People still write "M$"?

Re: From Redmond with Love - IE team sends cake for FF4

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They sent a cake while FF3 release too ! http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/256292

It's a long-standing tradition between Mozilla and Microsoft I believe.

It's in the bloody article. (Unless the author just added it.)

(Two paragraphs!)

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