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Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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Google likely considered legal defense as part of the hiring cost when taking someone that high profile. > the hiring team has always led me to believe that the non-competes are a standard clause and are not likely to be enforced. Your average engineer is likely easily replaceable. Directors and VPs are hard to replace and a huge win for any company that successfully hires them.

> Google likely considered legal defense as part of the hiring cost when taking someone that high profile Stuff like this is always so fascinating to me: the idea that someone's ability to do their job is worth fighting over in court -- nevermind the cultural costs of bringing someone new into a executive position at a company.

This is a very old tradition in the valley. I forget but I think the law in CA was changed sometime because these suits were almost always dismissed.

Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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There is a chance that some people with a history worth sharing might not be, and never be, in a position to talk. I personally think that non-compete agreements are a strange beast. On one side, you want to avoid people "switching sides" and bring important secrets with them, possibly the reason why they've been hired by a competitor. On the other side, you want a competitive job market, so that people would get the…

Something to point out here: the guy Brian reported to is based in California, where non-competes are held to be unenforceable.

If non-competes are truly as strategically necessary as Amazon says they are, why on earth would they hire such a senior executive in a jurisdiction that wouldn't uphold them?

Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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Don't appreciate you linking your own property that offers little new information except the rehash without an explicit disclaimer.

Ok; I can see people are displeased. I've added a disclaimer, since that was requested. I'd like to take a moment to ask then what is appropriate here, after checking the etiquette guidelines, which I read beforehand and which are linked below. I read them line by line in advance and I didn't see a conflict; to be clear, they don't disallow what I did. However, I'm open to being told what I could do that would be bet…

There is certainly no rule against linking your own stuff, it's just a personal preference by ctvo. The bandwagon down-voters joined in as they often do.

Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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Don't appreciate you linking your own property that offers little new information except the rehash without an explicit disclaimer.

Ok; I can see people are displeased. I've added a disclaimer, since that was requested. I'd like to take a moment to ask then what is appropriate here, after checking the etiquette guidelines, which I read beforehand and which are linked below. I read them line by line in advance and I didn't see a conflict; to be clear, they don't disallow what I did. However, I'm open to being told what I could do that would be bet…

I appreciate that you took time to collect the tweets. I certainly found them interesting and wouldn't have found them on my own.

Definitely add a disclaimer next time, though.

Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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I doubt that would have helped, given that he signed the agreement while a resident of a jurisdiction where it was valid. Regardless, I wouldn't uproot myself (and my family, if I had one) for something like this. Non-competes are an abomination and need to go, everywhere. The only alternative I'd accept is what's done in the finance world: you basically get a paid vacation for the term of your non-compete.

i don't think that matters. what matters is the jurisdiction where he works now. california doesn't want its employed population to be limited by noncompetes. they certainly won't be interested in honoring noncompetes from elsewhere.

Virtually all contracts will specify a jurisdiction for any disputes. In the case of employment contracts it's almost always where the company is registered. Moving to California likely doesn't help at all.

Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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i'm honestly just curious about the legal strategy at this point. Has Amazon won any of these suits?

They probably don't expect to win. They just want to throw as much sand in the competitor's faces as possible, and also pay their key staff as little as they can get away with, made easier if there are higher switching costs.

Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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Ok; I can see people are displeased. I've added a disclaimer, since that was requested. I'd like to take a moment to ask then what is appropriate here, after checking the etiquette guidelines, which I read beforehand and which are linked below. I read them line by line in advance and I didn't see a conflict; to be clear, they don't disallow what I did. However, I'm open to being told what I could do that would be bet…

I appreciate that you took time to collect the tweets. I certainly found them interesting and wouldn't have found them on my own. Definitely add a disclaimer next time, though.

Thank you; I will. I won't post to something I own without marking it as something I own in the future.

Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

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A large part of compensation is probably not in base salary, that'd be asking for like a 50% compensation cut.

I was assuming the person meant what you take home. Not just base salary.

Correct. Edited comment to clarify.

I think there's some possibly quibbling around the edges around what exact would be included, or not. E.g. a rule that bonus / commissions don't have to be included, as long as that doesn't lead to < 75% of previous year's comp would still be ok with me.

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